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Mission Objectivism

Scott
user 6545865
Dallas, TX
Post #: 3
Idea: proselytize a small country. If we are successful, we would all have a plan B by the time we retire, and we would have proof that Objectivism and capitalism work. In order to have the greatest chance for success, this country should have a small population (so that we can effectively proselytize), have the potential to thrive economically (no Pacific islands) so that capitalism can show its effectiveness, and obviously benefit from Objectivism (to make proselytization easier and give Objectivism the credit).

What do you think?
Tom
TAA1
McKinney, TX
Post #: 78
This idea usually doesn't get the consideration that I think it deserves.

The country at the top of my list would be Iceland--remote, decent size, small educated population.
Old T.
OldToad
Group Organizer
Dallas, TX
Post #: 776
ICE land?

The year-round mean daytime maximum high temperature there is 7C (44F)!
In July, it gets all the way up to about 13C (55F)!


Iceland in winter -- September thu May?
Tom
TAA1
McKinney, TX
Post #: 79
A slave in paradise or a free man in perpetual winter?

Actually, on the coast the average daily temp is 50F to 70F in the summer.
Old T.
OldToad
Group Organizer
Dallas, TX
Post #: 777
A slave in paradise or a free man in perpetual winter?


A good point.

But for any such plan to have a snowballs chance (even in Iceland), I think we have to manage several preliminary challenges for Mission Objectivism.

One of my goals for NTOS is to start by finding people in our local area who are already constructively interested in Objectivism. I continue to believe there should be thousands of us in the DFW area. To find more of them will require more advertising.

So far, however, I have been only modestly successful in selling the idea that it is valuable and worthwhile for us to spend some time together for an occasional Saturday night or to hear a speaker. To draw more participation will require more participation by those who do value Objectivism. I am always looking for ideas in this regard.

For our society to grow, I also think it is necessary for us to establish "rules of engagement" for people interested in Objectivism. My wife and I started NTOS three years ago by just asking participants to be civil to each other. I have been ever since developing our organizing principles for NTOS, which are stated in detail on our "About Us" page, especially under our bylaws.

If these organizing principles are correct, if the organizers implement them judiciously, and if we can organize events our members enjoy, NTOS will be able to continue to grow. When we have more members, we should then be able to do a lot more.
Sherry
SherryTX
Plano, TX
Post #: 662
I do love me a good winter!
Scott
user 6545865
Dallas, TX
Post #: 4
Toad,

Excellent response. In order to be successful anywhere else in the world, we need to have a large enough population here. You and your wife are doing a great job, and with enough time or advertising, you won't have any room for horses.

A mission, or goal, might provide more motivation for attendance, but it might also reduce the amenable population. Tough issues.
Scott
user 6545865
Dallas, TX
Post #: 5
Iceland certainly has a small enough population, and I would certainly take a free Iceland over a fascist Caribbean paradise, but it does seem a bit cold. I think it is also doubly hard to educate 'educated' socialists.

Iceland: Pros: small population, viable economy.

Cons: incredibly cold, currently socialist.

While I said no Pacific islands, I certainly wasn't talking about Australia or New Zealand. Although, both probably have populations that are too large. But they have nice weather and good economies.

Currently I am researching Central American countries. The weather is warm or hot, the populations are poor, we can get there by plane, boat, or road. Shipping costs would be much lower than Iceland, Africa, New Zealand, Toad's Pacific island :), etc. Infrastructure and safety are certainly huge concerns. Language is a minor concern. If we decided to move somewhere tomorrow, we would have some huge problems. My vision is for the population to be educated first, see the benefits of rational thinking and capitalism next, and then Objectivists from around the world would be comfortable to retire or work there. If we can get to that point, it would be very hard to argue against Objectivism and capitalism in the rest of the world.

I'm brain storming, what do you think?
Old T.
OldToad
Group Organizer
Dallas, TX
Post #: 779
Hi Scott,

As we are growing, some of our members want to start trying to do something now to help promote Objectivism and rational politics -- something more than participating in social events, a discussion group, or an occasional speaker event. Some of our members (including me) are getting increasingly concerned about the direction our country is headed.

My first response to this is that sitting around and talking about ideas is often underrated. NTOS provides a place to meet and discuss ideas among those constructively interested in Objectivism, to persuade each other to better reasoning, to enjoy the company of good people who are moving in the direction of better reasoning, and even to begin to discuss possibilities for the future. This may not be "activism," but I think it is indeed a first, crucial step toward doing something.

Regarding certain "political" goals, however, I think those can be a double-edged sword for promoting attendance in NTOS, as you noted. Politics follows from the roots of philosophy: metaphysics, epistemology, and ethics. For those new to Objectivism and just beginning to consider these roots of the philosophy, I think organizing NTOS to pursue certain political goals would likely cost us their interest in NTOS, which means it would cost us opportunities to persuade them to the rationality of the philosophy.

As the philosophy is so new, I doubt we have enough of a base for a political movement yet, no matter how urgent political issues are right now. I do not know what this means for our future. Is there enough time for us to spread the philosophy of reality and reason before our freedoms are completely lost? Do we seriously need to consider an escape plan? How could it be implemented?
Chris J.
gearjammer351
Dallas, TX
Post #: 106
I cannot help but think of the free state project. I have always thought that the idea of doing this within the boundaries of an existing country cannot work. If New Hampshire became chock full of small-government reformers, they will still pay federal taxes and be subjected to the rulings of the SCOTUS. A state seceding is the only way that would work. The question is: could a state succeed at seceding?

(sorry-I had to do it)
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