New Book? The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle

Anyone interested in doing a Meet Up based on this book? I have just strated reading it but I think it would be great fo rthis MeetUp group.

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  • Tim M.

    OK Cookie. That's enough. This is a message board about a book club. If you want to debate, Reddit.com has plenty of forums that are designed for that purpose.

    Also, I do not appreciate your demeaning and condescending tone. " Educated people do not believe in life after death, magic powers, and /or miracles." Seriously?! I have a Bachelors, Masters and graduated Valedictorian of my class. Where did you rank in your graduating class? There are doctors, lawyers, airline pilots, and teachers in the group none of whom deserve to have their intelligence disparaged. Open minded discussion is one thing. Patronizing attacks on other people's intelligence is another. If you can't be polite, there are plenty of other groups on MeetUp for you.

    March 24, 2013

  • Tina T.

    Hey Tim, Most likely you have come across this article (Mother Teresa's Crisis of Faith) published in TIME since you have apparently gone through a lot of literature. I still want to share it with you, just in case. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1655720-1,00.html
    I am not sure if this article is only open to subscribers or not. Please let me know if you cannot access it. I guess it is the same hard for you to unbelieve it and for me to believe it. We come from two different ends of the world decided by where we were born and how we were raised. I confess I think I basically have came to the point that I gave up trying to believe it. I am not saying that I have decided God exists or not. It is just that I have lost my patience. Well now I think, it is more difficult for you. Since I did not have it to begin with, today it is easy for me to say "Okay, now I stop trying to possess it". In contrast, you have had it for many years, it is another story.

    March 22, 2013

    • Tim M.

      That article was fascinating! Thanks for sharing. I saw a lot of myself in it. Pretty amazing to know that Mother Theresa herself had the same doubts. Like I was sharing Wednesday, I don't believe in God because I feel his presence. I don't see him in visions or feel like he talks to me. It would be much easier to believe if He did. I do think this historical evidence is good that He did come to Earth in human flesh around 3 AD and die and atoning death on my behalf. Like Mother Theresa, I find that sufficient motivation alone to be giving, help others, even try to love my enemies. It would be easier to do so if He spoke to me one day and said those things directly instead of just speaking through his prophets and apostles.

      March 22, 2013

    • Tina T.

      Exactly. That is what I need to believe it. I need him to reveal himself to me or to the world somehow to believe he does/did exist.

      March 22, 2013

  • Tina T.

    (continue)
    Now that I have finally met a christian who can openly talk about it. Besides hoping to get to know you more as a friend, I'd also like to research more on a subject which I have been curious all the time, that is what brought a believer to really believe. It is easy to understand why a non-believe does not believe like me, cookie, the Mellos, the reason is simply that we have never seen or felt the existance of God. At least to me it is still hard for me understand why a believer does believe...

    March 22, 2013

  • Tim M.

    If someone is so critically skeptical of the Bible to dismiss it entirely, ALL the above facts about Jesus can be established without ever opening a Bible. There can be zero doubt by an informed person that Jesus existed.

    I believe we have sufficiently address question #1 and we’re not going to settle #2 in a short written form so this is “peace out” for me. Thanks for listening :)

    March 22, 2013

  • Tim M.

    In his book “The Christ Files: How Historian Know what They Know About Jesus”, Historian John Dickson assembled this list of what we would know about Jesus if we had no writings from Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Paul.
    - The name “Jesus”
    - The place and time frame of his public ministry (Palestine during Pontius Pilate’s governorship, AD 26-36)
    - The name of his mother (Mary)
    - The ambiguous nature of his birth
    - The name of one of his brother (James)
    - His fame as a teacher
    - His fame as miracle-worker/sorcerer
    - The attribution to him of the title “Messiah/Christ”
    - His “kingly” status in the eyes of some
    - The time and manner of his execution (crucifixion around the Passover festival)
    - The involvement of both Roman and Jewish leaders in his death
    - The coincidence of an eclipse at the time of his crucifixion
    - The report of Jesus’ appearances to his followers after his death
    - The flourishing of a movement that worshipped Jesus after his death

    March 22, 2013

  • Tim M.

    Celsus tries to dismiss Jesus’ miracles as “certain magical powers”. (Against Celsus[masked])

    Thallos tries to dismiss the miracle recorded in Mark 15:33 (“At the sixth hour [during Jesus’ crucifixion] darkness came over the whole land until the ninth hour”) as a solar eclipse from noon to 3 pm. The point being, not one first century critic claims Jesus never existed. Rather they found his life so revolutionary that it required special explanations like sorcery or magic to account for. These critical dismals give strong argument that there was more to Jesus than just moral teaching. For certain, if Jesus never did anything more than deliver good sermons, there would be no need for critics to explain the rise of his movement by magic or sorcery.

    March 22, 2013

  • Tim M.

    " I apologize for my testy tone."
    I appreciate you saying that. It was a pleasure meeting you. The discussion was so good that it has carried over past the meeting. I'm glad you clarified it was a friendly though so we don't come across otherwise to others who weren't there.

    There's two seperate questions here: #1 Did Jesus exist? #2 How did he create a movement that changed history? The first has a simple "yes" or "no" answer. The second is way too deep to cover in this forum.

    I was only addressing question #1 in relation to your statement, "Jesus, if he existed,..." I never said all the extra-Biblical sources about him were positive. Even if every source about him were critical, that would still certainly prove his existence since there has someone the writers were being critical of.

    The nature of the criticism guarantees he existed. The Talmub tries to dismiss Jesus ability to do miracles, "because he practiced sorcery" (Baraitha Sanhedrin 43A-B)

    March 22, 2013

  • Tim M.

    Cookie, who was the materialist you mentioned who was a contemporary of Buddha in India? I wanted to read more about him.

    March 21, 2013

  • Tim M.

    I agree with Mike that Tolle has a good message of being positive. I can see how a lot of people would find his writing helpful. For example, someone living a fairly comfortable life in America yet always thinking about the future and wanting more down the road thus robbing themselves of happiness and fulfillment in the now. I totally get why he/she would love Tolle's teaching.

    I still think there's a dangerous element to his teaching for some though. Like in Chapter 3 where he advises people they don't need to understand the working of their mind but rather deny it to be in the Now. For someone who has lived through abuse causing them to not be able to stand up for themselves, or someone who was abandoned causing them to feel worthless, dealing with bad thought patterns through counseling can lead to freedom. Denying the past, on the other hand, is repression that perpetuates the problem.

    1 · March 21, 2013

  • Mike

    Tim, Cookie and Tina were all a pleasure to listen to. I especially liked learning a little about China and communism later in the night.

    March 21, 2013

  • Mike

    But we disagreed on spirituality part. Being that we didn't have a voice from a Buddhist perspective or other faiths, we debated Christianity again. Tim believes (I think) in supernatural things beyond reality that can be proven with our five senses or instruments to enhance those senses. So the conversation moved to his specific supernatural beliefs verses others lack of belief in things that we have no reason to believe in other than a 2000 year old poorly written book. I enjoyed the evening

    March 21, 2013

  • Mike

    I think Tolle's book had a good message of being positive and not dwelling on the past or future. We all agreed on this I think.

    March 21, 2013

  • Tim M.

    I'm not sure what you mean by "like this every time". You haven't been to any of the prior meetings. If you had, you would know the same issues have been raised by atheists every single meeting--slavery in the Old Testament, how does a loving God send anyone to hell, evolution, etc. Even though the same subjects have been raised by skeptics repeatedly, even when they had no bearing to the book we were discussing, I have never asked a skeptic if they are going to bring up that subject "every time". They are just talking about issues that concern them. Are Atheists the only ones allowed to talk about subjects that concern them?

    An atheist brought up slavery in the Old Testament last night which had absolutely nothing to do with Tolle's book whatsoever. You didn't call him out for being off topic. I mention the life of Jesus who was one of Tolle's sources and I'm "pushing an agenda" off topic? That's quite a double standard.

    March 21, 2013

  • Tim M.

    "Finally, speaking of misleading people...I felt that a certain party with an irrational fondness for a certain religion steered the conversation in the direction of his particular bias...I thought that the Meetup was going to be about Tolle's interesting book."

    Your suggestion I mislead anyone is unfair and borderline offensive. I scheduled a book that I personally wasn't particularly interested in from respect for others who had requested to discuss it. The very subject of the evening was from respect for others, not a desire to steer the conversation to a pet subject as you have suggested. However, none of them came to the discussion. As Mike pointed out (I think you were there at that point), if Tolle followers had come we would have had much more to discuss. But, before you arrived, we had already discovered that those of us present mutually disagreed with Tolle. Discussion usually tend to be short when everyone has the same view. That's why we went beyond Tolle's book.

    1 · March 21, 2013

  • Tim M.

    Don't want to start a written debate since that isn't the purpose of this site. Just getting back to you on the Professor's name I couldn't recall last evening and tried to correct a few factual errors from last night.

    Speaking of facts, "things which NO scientists or scholars believe in, such a virgin births." Common Cookie, I know that you know that this statement is false because just last night we mentioned a scientist--a highly respected one who headed the Human Genome Project--that does believe in the virgin birth, Dr. Francis Collins.

    Others include Dr. Alister McGrath, Biochemist Michael Behe, Dr. John Lennox, "father of genetics" Gregory Mendel.

    Even Atheist Richard Dawkins in "The God Delusion" which, correct me if I'm wrong but I thought you said you had read, wrote "there are some genuine specimens of good scientist who are sincerely religious in the full, traditional sense." and he goes on to name Peacocke, Stannard, and Polkinghorne by name. (chapter 3, pg 125

    March 21, 2013

  • Tim M.

    Speaking of misleading people, G.A. Wells is the German Language Professor whose name I could not remember last night, that Dawkins sites as his historical reference in Chapter 3 of “The God Delusion”. (http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/richard-dawkins-cites-german-professor-as-authority-on-historical-jesus/) . I believe this is the debate where Dawkins was confronted about his inaccurate historical reference and concedes it was misleading to sight a language professor as a historical expert (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0UIbd0eLxw&list=FLtxzoawJX0NXbQ9f29r3f2w).

    Last night wasn’t the first time I’ve heard the claim Jesus is not documented outside the Bible. Richard Dawkins had to stoop to the level of quoting a language professor to find a “history professor” who agrees with that. If you have better sources than Dawkins, please email them to me.

    March 21, 2013

  • Tim M.

    So the idea suggested last night that there's no record of Jesus outside the Gospels is simply false. In just these two sources alone we have extra-Biblical record of Jesus death (in the manner recorded by the Gospel writers), that his movement survived his death and that it had spread as far as Rome as early as AD49.

    There's also reference to Jesus in the writings of Celsus, Lucian of Samosata, Pliny the Younger, Mara Bar Serapion, and Thallos. Then there’s Jewish sources on top of those. I can't remember the name of the history professor you sited who claimed there was no record of Jesus outside the Bible but, as you can see, there are very many records of Jesus outside the Gospel accounts so that professor is badly uninformed (or willfully misleading people)....

    March 21, 2013

  • Tim M.

    I also enjoyed meeting you Cookie and Tina. Good seeing the Mello's again too. Very interesting discussion indeed, even if it did venture into other topics, LOL.

    Speaking of which, a few fact check items from last night. You were correct that Suetonius did not mention Jesus in "The Twelve Caesars". However, it is incorrect that Suetonius never mentioned Jesus. In "Life of Claudius" 25.4, Suetonius records Claudius
    expelling the Jews from Rome in AD49 because of riots over Christ.

    It was also incorrect that Tacitus never mentioned Jesus. In "Annals" 15.44, Tacitus writes, "Christians derived their name from a man called Christ, who during the reign of Emperor Tiberius had been executed by sentence of the procurator Pontius Pilate. The deadly superstition, thus checked for the moment, broke out afresh not only in Judea, but also in the City of Rome."...

    March 21, 2013

  • Richard H.

    I'd probably attend if you met on a Thurs or Friday evening.

    March 5, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Thanks Tim for putting a date to this! im looking forward to meeting everyone and discussing this fascinating book! see you all soon

    March 4, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Lets set this up then!! I would really be interested in discussing the book with a group of like minded individuals. :)

    February 7, 2013

  • Tim M.

    Yulissa, yes, I was already thinking about that book since there seems to be a bit of interest.

    February 4, 2013

  • Jairo M.

    Suggestions for location: Austins Café and Film, Dandelions, Ethos Vegan, Season 52, Spiral Circle, Community Center, and others.

    February 4, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Hey Tim! Would you consider this book for the March book? Seems we have some interest and it could be interesting.

    February 4, 2013

  • Amir

    I am interested but will confirm only upon knowing the date, venue and time.

    December 9, 2012

  • Tim M.

    Hi Jean. Welcome to the group. I just emailed Kevin to see when he's next available to meet up to discuss Stobel vs Doland's points. When we are able to schedule something I'll let you know. What days/times are usually best for you? Kevin prefers to get together weekends but I'm on-call pretty much every weekend so I had proposed some Thursday evening after work.

    March 22, 2012

  • Jean

    Would have loved to hear the rebuttle conversation. Just saw your site. When will you meet for any metaphysical subject?

    March 21, 2012

  • Tim M.

    Hi Yulissa. Kevin and I are still talking through Lee Strobel's "The Case for Faith". There is so much good material there for discussion. Also, Kevin brought a rebuttle essay from Paul Doland that we agreed to get together and talk about next Saturday, March 17th. With that and stuff I have to read for work this month, I can't commit to an additional book right now. But we'd love for you to join us on March 17th if you're free. Meanwhile, someone else may be interested in the other book.

    March 7, 2012

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