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Should there be government run schools?

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  • A former member
    A former member

    I enjoyed it, but maybe it would have been more productive if we (I include myself in this) had stayed on the question. We strayed a lot into "How should schools be improved?" and "Do schools do much good for their students?"

    June 3, 2011

  • Jonathan

    Thomas Jefferson said, "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was, and never will be." In a government run educational system, a dictator (or oppressive ideology) needs only to rise up from a bastion of ignorance. Either through deliberately teaching statism to our children, or from simple neglect. Why then, are people surprised when Jonny grows up, he demands to be less free?

    June 3, 2011

  • Jonathan

    "The educated differ from the uneducated as much as the living from the dead."
    Aristotle

    June 2, 2011

  • A former member
    A former member

    I enjoyed the talk. A small group made for lots of time for everyone to speak. There were quite a few opposing views, but that's part of what made it interesting. It wasn't as philosophical as it could have been, but an interesting topic non the less.

    June 2, 2011

  • A former member
    A former member

    The alternative to school is not just books, it's the entire world, experiences and people in it. Tutors, family, friends, experts, reading, viewing, experimenting. There are many ways to learn. Apprenticeships are a time honored way of learning from a master, but society is so 'schooled' we think the only way to learn is from a book.

    We are all born autodidacts. We learn to talk, walk, feed ourselves and a myriad of other things because we're built to learn. It's a very human trait.

    May 26, 2011

  • Michael

    I'm a big fan of private schools (I'm partially a product of them; my wife teaches at one) as long as they make education the focus rather than social agendas. The same goes with my opinion regarding public schools, I guess.

    @Cindy: I totally agree that high school graduates are often illiterate. I know; I try to teach them every day. On the other hand, autodidacts are rare, and there's the danger that they will miss social context that comes with learning from a person rather than a book.

    May 26, 2011

  • Michael

    Say, a class of 30. That's 10k/student/yr, which is about 20% above the average for private k-8 school tuition. In public school, however, more is provided (lunch, 2-3x-sized administration [not that that's a good thing], psychologists, etc...). I'd be curious to know what that budget you quoted includes--because private schools only get some of their money from tuition. In many cases, not even the majority. Were you quoting that number because it was low or because it was high? Need context!

    May 26, 2011

  • Jonathan

    Arizona public school k-8 budget is: $260,000 per classroom.

    May 25, 2011

  • A former member
    A former member

    Why do people equate schools with education?

    Many high school graduates are illiterate and many educated people never attended school.

    Learning comes in many forms.

    May 25, 2011

  • A former member
    A former member

    We will be meeting in the large room next to the library cafe (snacks, coffee, drinks available) Straight back, bear right. The room can hold 20-25 comfortably around a square table.

    I've made it a bit earlier than 6 because the library closes at 8pm and starts shooing people out at 7:30ish, but if you can only be there at 6, please still come!

    Bring a written paragraph so that each person may introduce themselves and read their position as a starting point for our discussion.

    May 13, 2011

  • Joel

    Looking forward to discussing

    May 5, 2011

  • Anne W.

    Isn't that what a public school is??? I sure wish this discussion could be held on a weekend. I live in the West Valley & to drive to Tempe during rush hour would take me 2-hours.

    May 5, 2011

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