When is it Okay to Hate?

What exactly is hatred, why do we hate, and what does it have to do with Philosophy? In a world of increasing political protests, unfounded character assassination, physical violence, hatred of hateful people, and atrocities perpetrated against our fellow man, when is it okay to hate? How, for example, is hatred based on class different than hatred based on race?

When is it okay to hate such things/people as:                                                                                                                                          >George W. Bush
>War                                                                                                                                      >The Rich (and/or not allegedly paying one's "fair share" and/or being "greedy")
>The Banking Industry
>Big Oil
>Pharmaceutical companies
>Wall St
>Conservatives (e.g., Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Michael Savage, Sean Hannity) and The Tea Party
>Corporations
>Insurance companies
>Automobile industry
>Profit motives
>Freedom, Individual rights, and Free markets

Should people hate those in industries that provide what people need, but not degrade the what wealthy people provide what they don't really need (pro sports/superstar athletes, Hollywood and its ultra-wealthy movie stars, supermodels, etc.)?

When is it Okay to Hate?


   



Join or login to comment.

  • CHUCK N.

    A LIVELY DISCUSSION. STAYED ON TOPIC MOST OF THE TIME. SOME INTERESTING VIEWPOINTS.

    November 9, 2011

  • Steve

    Our members were on the top of their game for this event, and I got a lot of out this discussion. Thanks everyone for your insights!

    November 8, 2011

  • Steve

    As far as "I was hoping to find people who can argue both sides. "Debates" where A takes position X and B takes position Y are tiresome and unproductive. I'm looking to map the truth, not have a dumb online back-and-forth in real life." It is not my intention to conduct Meetups online. That's why do them face to face, in public. For those that can withstand the scrutiny of their ideas. (I don't like this commentary section, because it's mostly for those people who won't show up at Meetups...)

    November 8, 2011

  • Steve

    Is merely pointing out extreme dysfunction "hate"? And is hating the alleged "haters" rational?

    November 8, 2011

  • Steve

    6:15 tonight, Tuesday, November 8. And, I understand the list above is one-sided. But beyond bombing of abortion clinics and killing of abortion doctors, I think you'll be hard-pressed to find the same kind of examples vehemence that I'll be mentioning at the Meetup. As for Tea Party rallies, they seem pretty peaceful protests of an extremely dysfunctional, ultra-control-freak political philosophy; which is not (in my mind) necessarily "hate" motivated, but possibly rational.

    November 8, 2011

  • CMAP

    Hi, just wanted to clarify the start time, yesterday it was showing as 5:15 and I see it's back at 6:15 now, which is accurate? I don't want to arrive late. Thanks!!

    November 7, 2011

  • A former member
    A former member

    Man... ouch. The correct answer would have been one where you opposed to yourself, not a further defense of your position. You didn't even try. I found this on youtube in about 15 seconds: watch?v=nBVr82zkkEA... I was hoping to find people who can argue both sides. "Debates" where A takes position X and B takes position Y are tiresome and unproductive. I'm looking to map the truth, not have a dumb online back-and-forth in real life.

    November 7, 2011

  • Steve

    We're only looking for one example, that ought to be something other than what a hypersensitive person would consider "offensive"; or something other than what a hyper-emotional person would take personally and call "hate." Is a difference in opinion "hate" simply because some people consider themselves "virtuous" and "loving," and henceforth all those that disagree must be "hateful." When one disagrees with the self-proclaimed and self-aggrandizing "virtuous" is that necessarily "hate"?...

    November 7, 2011

  • A former member
    A former member

    Ok, fair draft in that direction... now for 500 devil's advocate points, dismantle it; prove it wrong.

    Seriously. Cause that list is glaringly one-sided. It only took 15-20 minutes online to find enough contrasting material for me to feel Incredibly comfortable saying that, and if I come down there for a philosophy meetup, by mog, it's to have fun dissecting ideas With fellow idea mechanics, not do free tune-ups.

    [Total comment hate: approx 130 cal]
    [cal from troll:50; cal from mad: 16]

    November 7, 2011

  • Steve

    Of course, that's not to suggest there isn't hatred out there from people in all walks of life in the world, but a lot of what is called "hate" isn't necessarily hatred; and a lot of what is called "compassion" and "love" is merely a masquerade... I hope to sort some of that out at our Meetup.

    November 4, 2011

  • Steve

    If there's a single example out there where Obama's character has been attacked, or anything remotely resembling "Bush lied, people died" or something such as Harry Reid saying to school children "I think this guy is a loser" (or any of the other gillion examples of character attacks on Bush - such as the mocking of misstatements - none of which get any attention when Obama makes them, such as routinely referring to military "corps" as "corpse") then we can add your one example to the list.

    November 4, 2011

  • Steve

    The list isn't comprehensive, though I don't view Obama as an object of "hatred" per se. Dissent over his policies is not necessarily "hate" - as his character is not attacked (unlike all the vicious and vehement attacks on those in the list above). I view "hate" as a projection of what resides within oneself. Comparing his economic policies to Nazi economic policies isn't really "hate" in my mind, it's fact; and those posters of him bowing to foreign leaders is not "hate" in my mind, it's fact.

    November 4, 2011

  • Steve

    And as far as people actually preparing for the discussion prior to attending a Meetup, I've found that less than (an estimated) 20% of attendees do much of any actual preparation for a particular discussion beyond driving to the venue. Even when we've specifically asked for people to make an effort (with various "homework" requests prior to the discussion), less than 20% do any of the so-called "homework."

    November 4, 2011

  • Steve

    We have tried that innumerable times in the past; i.e., defining the words in the question prior to the Meetup, but it didn't work well at all. That's because I found that approximately 0.00% (of non-moderator) attendees actually read the definition of terms portion in the event description prior to attending a Meetup - thereby rendering any attempt to the define the terms prior to the discussion pretty useless (not to mention a complete waste of time for the person posting the definitions).

    November 4, 2011

  • Steve & B.

    Humans experience a RANGE of negative emotions, aluded to by words like "dislike" or "distaste" on the mild end to words like "dispise" or "hate" on the strong end. Shouldn't we explore a DEFINITION for "hate" before we begin our discussion? Do we mean by the "hate" we are discussing something special, something more or different than "loathe" or "detest" or "disdain"???? If each of us gives this question some thought BEFORE the meeting, we less likely to leave hating this discussion!

    1 · November 3, 2011

  • Rebekah

    Steve, can I please have 27 hours in my days too. That would be so helpful. LOL.

    November 2, 2011

  • A former member
    A former member

    I haven't attended yet because of scheduling and location. I prefer East Valley locations, so I'm looking forward to the one in Tempe. I don't want to drive for 30-45 minutes to a Meetup! Thanks!

    November 2, 2011

  • Steve

    I'd love to do more central Phoenix events, as it's much closer to where I reside. However, these events, when we have them, are so poorly attended that it's hard for me to justify the time/expense of putting them together. Everyone in this group is 100% empowered to schedule any event, any time, 27/7/365. So if you want events in central Phoenix feel free to post them on this website and let the chips fall where they may.

    1 · November 2, 2011

  • Cindy F.

    Hi LJ - there are meetings in Central Phx if that's what you mean. I consider Tempe Central since I'm far east of it!

    November 1, 2011

  • LJ

    I know there are more philosophy types in Tempe but I really wish you'd centralize the meetups. Maybe you could consider some outreach to the un-erudite masses in the northern suburbs or to the working class on the westside? :P

    November 1, 2011

  • Jim H.

    Objects of hatred are intellectual shorthand; sophomoric. A list defining one through others is a sad state of affairs. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

    Does the messenger matter? There will be bigots who latch onto his race, his religion, his FBI file. A focus on him obscures the message; a way of saying "turn the other cheek" or "there is no way to peace, peace is the way."

    October 31, 2011

12 went

People in this
Meetup are also in:

Create a Meetup Group and meet new people

Get started Learn more
Bill

I started the group because there wasn't any other type of group like this. I've met some great folks in the group who have become close friends and have also met some amazing business owners.

Bill, started New York City Gay Craft Beer Lovers

Sign up

Meetup members, Log in

By clicking "Sign up" or "Sign up using Facebook", you confirm that you accept our Terms of Service & Privacy Policy