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Steering Meeting: Let's move this group to the next level

  • Apr 11, 2013 · 7:30 PM
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Time to move to the next level!

Let's introduce ourselves quickly and then...

Let's talk about what we want out of this group.  Do we need a new location?  Do we need to have splinter groups in different areas?

Let's talk about the idea of having the different areas of Permaculture represented in Jacksonville.

Let's talk about the different kinds of meetings that we've been having.  The Fix-it meeting, Movie night, Field Trips, etc.

The poll results are in concerning our group's best available times.

How about breaking off into groups of people who install gardens for others and get projects done around town.

Do we have anyone else who wants to run workshops and talk to groups about permaculture.

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  • Michelle

    Hello, we were at this meeting and gave our number to the handsome man who had a truck and wanted to get manure. You called and left a message and I accidently deleted it. Could you call me back? Please.

    April 21, 2013

  • Cristina M.

    Hey everyone. Seems like we definitely have a great group with diverse abilities, availabilities and knowledge to share. Briefly wanted to explain that my involvement is sporadic due to an overwhelming responsibility of raising 2 children, working full time, and living a bit far from Thursday meetings. Sadly, I had to miss the Thursday meeting. What I can offer is labor on weekends with advance notice....every other Thurday night if possible. And always available when there is a great need. Just don't want anybody to give up on me or think I am only partially interested and committed. I LOVE what Alex and all of you are doing for our world and it is my passion to learn to live purposefully and set an example for the young people. I put great value on the friendships and the work of all of you. Hope to be at the next event. LOVE and PEACE.

    2 · April 13, 2013

    • Alexander Ojeda, J.

      Cristina, we wouldn't give up on you! :) So, Ed has his church meet up listed for Saturdays. Maybe you can make that? See you soon!

      April 14, 2013

    • Ed B.

      Many thanks to you Tim, Christopher, and our Junior members Dominic and John. We put in a 32+ sq ft hugelkulture along our fence and planted it with passion vine, loofa, beans. cucumber and a few other things I can't remember/

      1 · April 16, 2013

  • Patrick F.

    This was my very first exposure to the Permaculture milieu. As a matter of fact I've never been interested in any phase of agriculture before now. I've recently begun to make changes in my life to become more spiritually aware and more healthy. These changes have let me to seek out and learn from others of like mindset. One guiding principle for me is to choose mentors who have walked the path before me and especially those who have "the fruit on the tree." I found many in this meeting who fit this ideal. I felt a wonderful energy and believe that I was in the midst of a group of smart people who are all very motivated to learn and do things for better health and to help others. I also believe the group accomplished the purpose of the meeting. I was very impressed by the focus and purpose of the group as a whole. I am still learning and have no idea where to take the first bite but I'm convinced I'm in a good place.

    I hope to meet many of you as I continue this journey.

    3 · April 13, 2013

    • Alexander Ojeda, J.

      Thank you Patrick! We're lucky to have a great group of interested, like-minded and motivated people! Welcome to the group!

      April 14, 2013

  • Michelle

    It was great to see everyone so interested in the same cause. Now to move it on to the next step. I am currently looking for a Dentist and a Mechanic. I can cook, bake, sew and garden. Work with me and I'll work with you.

    1 · April 12, 2013

    • James C.

      Yes on older cars it is very easy. Some of the newer cars have the engine packed in so tight I cannot get a wrench on the crankshaft end nut. First the spark plugs must be removed so there is no compression stroke. If it has been seized for over a week I usually fill the cylinders with Marvel Mystery penetrating oil which is a secret formula of Type F transmission fluid. That provides lubrication to the rings since no oil has been pumped up to them without the engine running. If the belts are tight sometimes I can just use them to rock the rings loose.

      April 14, 2013

    • James C.

      Now for the bad news. If the crankshaft has spun a bearing, the oil pan must be removed and the crankshaft dropped down to replace the bearings. Big job! Call me. I will give phone on private message.

      April 14, 2013

  • Alexander Ojeda, J.

    Wonderful group interaction. Met lots of new friends. Made connections and started thinking about groups. We've got Sabrina and Melissa looking into time banking for our group and James setting up a Google Docs account for us. Nothing but positive!

    April 12, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      If the CIA is reading my Facebook page I will not likely make the next meeting I will be in the State Mental Institute. Please visit.

      April 13, 2013

    • James C.

      Yes it allows me to share things from Facebook but if I keep it closed like Meetup and Facebook, it means being on GooglePlus. Alex, I sent a full explanation to you.

      April 13, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Not looking for anything unless someone wants to fix the table leg I couldn't bring to the Potluck-fix it night.
    PhD Accounting, Cognitive Psych. Also qualified in Ethics. Will tutor you/your children. Tax is out-hate it. Research in Ethics and Behavioral Accounting. Access to academic databases in most any field. Other than classified information, ask and I will find the info.
    Licensed Alabama CPA. FL recoprocity takes time and money-prefer not to. Business startups, accounting systems, advice, etc.
    Tutor some HS -no less, not smarter than a 5th grader.
    Much Resumes and Vitea experience.
    Sew, cook and bake for those on strict celiac diets. Teach Celiacs how to shop and find a non-deprivation diet.
    Master Gardener- far beneath most of you. Learned a lot about plant anatomy, rooting, proper placement, etc. Can weed.
    Clean house. Some limitations due to disibilities.
    Refinish furniture, refurbish and find new uses for found objects. Thrift store junky will find what you need.

    April 12, 2013

    • Alexander Ojeda, J.

      Thanks for sharing Sharon. We could have a fix it night at your place and get that table taken care of. Let me know if you have a good date. We can talk more about what you can do. You sound like you have some interesting super powers :)

      April 12, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      My super power is that I can sleep 20 hours straight but I didn't want to brag nor piss off those with a hard time sleeping. Besides I wasn't sure how that would benefit anyone else. However, if you can fiqure out how to capture my super power for the greater good I will be happy to donate to sleep FOR others.

      1 · April 13, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Sorry Alex for the late response. I'm working later than expected.

    April 11, 2013

  • James C.

    We got off topic a few times but progress was made.

    April 12, 2013

    • Alexander Ojeda, J.

      With a room full of people, I'd say we did pretty well, no? Thanks for your input and your doing that Google Docs thing!

      April 12, 2013

  • Miryam

    So sorry we
    cannot make it now.

    April 11, 2013

  • Alexander Ojeda, J.

    History continued...

    Together we decided that we needed to see if there was any interest in the group to move into any of the other 6 facets of permaculture.

    1. Land and Nature Stewardship (what we currently do)
    2. Building (we have workshops on this continually)
    3. Tools and Technology (We touch on this too)
    4. Education and culture (We educate, but need work on culture)
    5. Health and Spiritual Well-Being
    6. Finances and Economics
    7. Land Tenure and Community Governance

    As far as actual meeting structure, we would like to know how much of this the group would like to establish.

    We'd like to establish groups of people who can start teaching and doing installs for the group, with the groups help.

    We'd like to find people who can spearhead projects like establishing a Time Bank and more.

    I'd like to get more feedback from people who are planning to attend our meetings, workshops and events and actively take part in its health and development.

    April 10, 2013

    • Alexander Ojeda, J.

      Please do bring these things to the group! We need you!

      April 11, 2013

    • Alexander Ojeda, J.

      Remember that the people who are learning the most and doing the most are those of us who need it the most. Your having an illness is what's driving you to figure it out for the rest of us! We're behind you all the way Nick! Love to you!

      April 11, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    I haven't lived here long enough to have the type seeds and plants most are expecting but I do have landscape plants that I will bring if there will be takers. Sago Palms, Verigated Mondo Grass, Hawthorn Bushes, etc. etc. My yard was overlandscaped and I need room to plant more edibles. I don't like to throw away any living plant even if you can't eat it. Please let me know if anyone is interested so I can dig up in time.

    April 8, 2013

    • Elyse S.

      I would love some hawthorn and palms. I could trade you farm fresh eggs....if you like them?

      1 · April 10, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      No trade necesarry I will get digging Hawhornes and Sago's.

      April 11, 2013

  • Kelly F.

    i want to see more focus on waste management. everyone should know who nance klehm is, and what humble pile/the great giveback is. her website is spontaneousvegetation.net. also, gainesville has a great model for community compost, simply called gainesville compost. they are on facebook. nance is working something similar to this, she calls it 'the ground rules' and there should be a section on her site about that.
    i want to see active creation of alternative markets. one book that might be of interest, given how food-focused this group is, is 'the revolution will not be microwaved' by sandor katz. it's published by chelsea green, which is a really great publisher out of vermont.
    (part 1)

    April 9, 2013

    • Alexander Ojeda, J.

      Anything that takes a big production and expenditure of energy, in Bill Mollison's teachings (and many others) is outside of the scope of permaculture. It all needs to be done ON SITE. This is the best conservation of energy you can have. I've seen the project called Petal to pedal in Vancouver (http://www.pedaltopet...­). They are happy to share all of their info with anyone interested. I haven't heard of Nance's operation before. It's good that people's minds are moving in this direction. If one were so inclined, this would be a good operation to start here in Jacksonville. At the very least it gets the kitchen "waste" from people who aren't going to use it and puts it to good use.

      April 11, 2013

    • Alexander Ojeda, J.

      ...and please, let's try to keep these conversations civil. If you haven't been here to help, you can't know what we're doing or have done. The "We" that I speak of are the people who are participating. Calling people liars and getting aggressive isn't doing anyone any good. I appreciate any input that is constructive and THANK YOU for your constructive input.

      April 11, 2013

  • Alexander Ojeda, J.

    Some quick history about this group.

    Three years ago, we didn't have meetings, we had garden installations. We went from place to place and installed gardens for members and their family or friends. We didn't use Facebook and we only used Meetup.com to connect with people. We've recently started using the calendar on Meetup and started using Facebook. This group has always been focused on the food production aspect of permaculture since those who have put the time and energy into developing the group realized that we are being poisoned at every meal. I don't think that any of us can't see that this is a major problem. We want our children's bodies to grow with the best foods we can develop vs. the DNA altering and chronic disease causing foods that are available by commercial producers.

    We started having meetings (thank you Tara for allowing us to use Ananda Kula), we started having other meetings like Movie night and Fix-it night. cont...

    April 10, 2013

    • Alexander Ojeda, J.

      History continued... We continue to have garden installations and free workshops. Anyone in the group is invited and encouraged to throw their own workshops and do the things that they feel they want to share with everyone.

      Now, Ed and I have done a permaculture design course and attended the first Florida Permaculture Convergence. I've produced workshops and attended classes in the FireFly Gathering, Earthskills gathering and Skillful Living events as well as attended many other permaculture meetings and misc. events. I've done podcasts on permies.com and Val, Eli and myself have helped produce videos that are being used to educate children as well as adults about our permaculture projects and permaculture in general.

      April 11, 2013

    • Alexander Ojeda, J.

      History continued...

      Together we decided that we needed to see if there was any interest in the group to move into any of the other 6 facets of permaculture.

      1. Land and Nature Stewardship (what we currently do)
      2. Building (we have workshops on this continually)
      3. Tools and Technology (We touch on this too)
      4. Education and culture (We educate, but need work on culture)
      5. Health and Spiritual Well-Being
      6. Finances and Economics
      7. Land Tenure and Community Governance

      As far as actual meeting structure, we would like to know how much of this the group would like to establish.

      We'd like to establish groups of people who can start teaching and doing installs for the group, with the groups help.

      We'd like to find people who can spearhead projects like establishing a Time Bank and more.

      I'd like to get more feedback from people who are planning to attend our meetings, workshops and events and actively take part in its health and development.

      1 · April 11, 2013

  • Alexander Ojeda, J.

    AND, YES, please bring your plants, seeds and gardening questions to trade!

    April 10, 2013

  • Ed B.

    Kelly,
    There are so many aspects we can explore, but only if there is interest and someone to lead the effort. If your passion is on waste management, I would like to encourage you to take the lead.
    Our group is about taking action and making the difference in the areas we are most passionalte about.
    That is the purpose of this meeting. to find out what is our group passionate about, who is ready to step foreward and make it happen.
    I hope you will consider seizing the moment, be the change and lead a discussion group or workshop on this topic.

    April 9, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      Kelly, thanks for the intro to Nance Klehm. Off topic, I totally support the efforts of your current primary focus, it is so important.

      April 9, 2013

    • Kelly F.

      Thanks, Melissa. Kind of surprising to get back to my hometown and realize that I could be denied housing, fired or not hired, and denied services based only on my perceived sexuality or gender expression. That could have already been happening to people, but the fact that the city council voted on it and said that it's okay is worse. So I have some personal autonomy issues to prioritize before I can throw more time and effort into organizing other people.

      April 10, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Ed, Back in November I wrote in to the "Give us your feedback" area of the meetup page. I credit Alex and yourself with keeping things going, the wonderful events that have been planned, and all of the planning that goes into keeping this alive and thriving. How are things going to be planned/scheduled on Thursday in order to handle (potentially) a lot of input, and to organize input in a fashion that we actually move forward with with said suggestions?
    There is a lot of potential, and it would be great to make sure that it is properly channeled.

    April 9, 2013

    • Kelly F.

      (pt2) we don't all have to meet in the same time and place, but with the spokescouncil, we delegate representatives (ideally rotating, because ideally everyone would be empowered with the same information and ability to articulate what the group is planning) to meet with the other representatives. taking turns makes it a lighter labor and keeps our egos in check.
      but for this meeting, i definitely suggest some kind of large, visible note-taking (be it a large pad of paper or someone projecting their laptop on which they are taking notes).

      April 10, 2013

    • Kelly F.

      (pt 3) an agenda with specific times allocated to each agenda item is important, as well as designating a timekeeper. also it is a good idea to decide how groups make decisions. is it like the iroquois, quakers, and feminists with consensus, or is it majority rules? majority rules has a tendency to create oppositional binaries or continually keep one person not in favor with group decisions. more factions and splintering happens when the 'minority' bands together and walks away from the 'majority.' consensus as a process allows everyone to vocalize their concerns, and foster compromise.

      April 10, 2013

  • Tery T.

    I would be very interested in a group located in SW Jax to Middleburg area. I also am going to join the Gainesville Permaculture Meet Up group. Maybe we can find a place for the people in between these two cities.

    April 10, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    is this meeting the 11th one to bring extra plantings to. I had a friend give me some of his extras and I hate to see them go to waste. Will try to be there the 11th but can not promise anything.

    1 · April 9, 2013

  • Kathleen

    Is the seed/plant swap for perennials only? I have extra tomato plants I would be happy to trade or give to good home!

    1 · April 8, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      Always room for another tomatoe plant. I got my first tomatoe today! Guess what's for dinner?

      April 8, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      Sorry is tomatoe - tomato like potatoe - potato or is it still true that I can't spell? You don't have to answer I am already a member of "Bad Spellers of the World Untie"

      April 8, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Why are there no weekend meetups?

    April 8, 2013

    • Michelle

      There are somethings going on during the weekends. Alex had a poll going to see what days and times work best for people. Usually we are out in our or someone else's yard. At least until we get it going so well we don't need to be.

      April 8, 2013

    • Alexander Ojeda, J.

      On the weekends, we are doing workshops and installations. Please check the calendar to see what's going on. Please come to the next night time meeting. It's where we are going to determine the future of the group. It is time to grow!

      2 · April 8, 2013

  • stocklady2

    I am trying to attend. Don't drive at night so well

    March 30, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      Where are located?

      April 8, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      You*

      April 8, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    My guest is a maybe

    March 30, 2013

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