Re: [Pitch-to-Developers] Need a couple more presenters!

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Sent on: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:02 PM
Re: [Pitch-to-Developers] Need a couple more presenters! MY GOD PLEASE GET ME OFF THIS LIST. I’VE HAD OVER 70 EMAILS TODAY IN A GROUP.


On 6/19/12 12:58 PM, "Alec Uitti" <[address removed]> wrote:

From the perspective of an idea guy who has not been to one of these but am seriously considering it - what I _thought_ this was about was pitching an idea to a group of developers who might be looking for a great idea to become part of a founding team.
In the spirit of Paul Graham, Brad Feld, Ries, Godin etc. who preach *passion* for an idea and being a part of something great/disruptive and especially YOURS,  my assumption was not that it was about paying for a MVP or feature set but of actually becoming part of the idea and taking it on (including the risk).

That's what I would be looking for - a partner in crime to take on the world. Not a contractor trading for an equity chunk, but developer/entrepreneurs/owners. but that's me. idealistic

On Jun 19, 2012, at 12:41 PM, Dave Hecker wrote:

Actually the idea of refining it to ‘pitch to mvp developers’ is interesting because it’s essentially sharpening the format/concept of the event, making it more specific.  That would help the event to attract developers who are looking for early startups, too.  
 
I am still resistant to the ‘pitch’ part of things, though
J

There was an event at SXSW where a bunch of startups had setup with small tables, and used laptops/tablets to demonstrate their product/business to anyone who happened to walk by. There were tons of developers browsing around, and about 15 startups handing out cards and showing off their business (some of them were just powerpoint!) to anyone who would listen. Over a period of about an hour, a lot of connections were made and I was able to browse through many startups and engage with several of them personally.  That was really good!  
 
If there was an event called ‘Build my MVP’ where developers would quickly meet a bunch of startups who are looking to make a cash/equity deal to build a prototype, I would probably show up!
 
MVP is: minimum viable prototype
 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Theodore Van Rooy
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What's an MVP developer?



Theo

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Jason Leavitt <[address removed]> wrote:

Couple comments...



Most entrepreneurs don't know jack about computer languages, so asking them upfront isn't going to get you anywhere. Many need help deciding what to use.



With regards to hearing 8 pitches being a waste of time...welcome to the start up world where angel investors and VCs hear dozens of pitches and end up investing in 1. That just how things work. Unless you want to hire a staff to cull out the best ones, you're gonna have to go thru the numbers (possibly over the course of several months) before finding a project you want to work on. Yeah it sucks and seems like a waste of time, but the next Facebook isn't going to knock on your door. You have to go find it and most likely you won't even recognize when you see it.



I like the format. I'd rather explain my idea to everyone than have to explain it 50 times in a "speed dating" or pure networking format, but perhaps we can change the group from "Pitch to Developers" to "Pitch to MVP Developers." This would force entrepreneurs to narrow their scope to a much simpler and less time consuming project that may be more attractive for developers. After the MVP is launched and the market tested, the parties can continue working together or go their separate ways. The developer can make some money and the entrepreneur has a live product which can be used to pitch others.



Jason



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From: Kevin Rusch <[address removed]>
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Subject: RE: [Pitch-to-Developers] Need a couple more presenters!


Yeah, that's a good point.  However,  suppose you have 10 companies and 40 developers.  So if they're committed to LAMP, you'll have 10 developers who are in their market.  I think I'd rather hear a well-prepared 5 minute presentation and do follow-ups rather than have the person in a long series of this-and-that chats with their developers and maybe I can elbow in for a bit.  I mean, I understand what you're saying, but I think the pitches are a useful part of the process.    That said, there have been some pitches where I've said "well, that's nice, but I don't know zend, so.. I'm sure they'll find someone." And some where "jeez, clearly this guy thinks he has a viable idea, but I sure don't see it."  I can see the value of the former and don't mind killing time during that pitch -- it's the latter that I'd like to be able to filter.  

This may be *way* too much thought to put into it, but if you had the 2-3 paragraph write-ups, the registered attendees can check a box of "I'm curious to hear more" and if a pitch doesn't clear a specific threshold, then don't bother.  (I'll be happy to code that up.)

-kevin

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Sent: Tuesday, June 19,[masked]:16 AM
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A job fair is a pretty low-level thing. A job fair is for companies who can't attract enough candidates to meet employees who aren't already being snapped up by other employers.

This is the tech space, so we have a totally different dynamic. Developers are in incredible demand and there are tons - of great small companies wanting developers but they aren't so desperate. With developers at a premium and companies having such different characteristics (startups, equity, cash, contract, fte, platforms, culture) the essence of the connections are good for a quick meet-greet.

When I hear about a startup looking for development services, I can usually tell in the first 60 seconds whether I am interested in hearing more. Meanwhile, most developers already know if they are interested in working for equity or not and they have already committed to a platform (i.e. php/ruby) so listening to pitches is incredibly inefficient.

My company provides django/python/ios/android services. So, listening to pitch from a great startup that is building in zend doesn't help me much :)

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From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Kevin Rusch
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But doesn't that defeat the purpose of the pitch process?  I was going on the assumption that the idea behind the Pitch-to-developers meetings was for startups to convince developers that their projects were worth the risk.  Otherwise, it's a job fair, which has its own value, but it's a fundamentally different thing, in my opinion.

Just a thought,

kevin

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From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Ben Scheuer
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If a couple of slots were open for established companies hiring contractors or for full time positions, it may increase interest from developers.  More developers means more value and interest from the entrepreneurial community.  The company I work for is always looking for top talent, either contract or full time.

-Ben

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Dave Hecker <[address removed]> wrote:
> I would love it if things were just simplified into an event where
> developers network with potential partners/startups.  I am always
> looking for new clients for my development company, but the ‘pitching’
> part seems like  waste of time to me. Most of them aren’t interesting
> and it’s time consuming. I would prefer to have each of the developers
> take 1 minute to introduce themselves and then have an old fashioned
> networking/meeting session.
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> The most successful thing I’ve been to was the speed dating format –
> very fast and productive. I wonder if that could be used in this context?
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> I'm game after 5pm as well! I do have a great Drupal developer but I
> want to know who is out there as I expand.
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> Greetings all,
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> As one of the "desirable girls or guys", aka developers, I would be
> open to a discussion around this topic. If you set something up after
> 5pm one day, I am happy to come by and participate.
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> Mike
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> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:44 PM, David Cass <[address removed]> wrote:
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> All,
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> I wanted to thank Alon for putting this concept together but also
> wanted to share some feedback I have heard and see if anyone else has
> had the same experience.
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> What I’m hearing about this meetup is that while it’s great in
> theory….very few developers go.  It’s lopsided toward the “pitchers”.
> Developers are sought after and as we know the desirable girl or guy
> never goes to singles nights!  I think we should start a dialogue on
> this subject.  Do others feel this to be the case?
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> Thanks,
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> Dave
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> Hello entrepreneurs and developers!
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> I need your help finding a couple more presenters. I've still got two
> slots to fill for the June 26 meetup in Denver. If you know anyone
> that would be interested in pitching, please get them in touch with me.
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> If you are interested in pitching or have any questions, please feel
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> Best Regards,
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