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The Zeitgeist Movement - folly or future?

  • Apr 28, 2013 · 1:00 PM
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The Zeitgeist Movement - folly or future?


The Zeitgeist Movement (TZM) is people around the world supporting real change, with supporters numbering more than half a million and growing, and chapters in every major city around the world.

The Zeitgeist Movement is not a political movement. It does not recognize nations, governments, races, religions, creeds or class. Our understandings conclude that these are false, outdated distinctions which are far from positive factors for true collective human growth and potential. Their basis is in power division and stratification, not unity and equality, which is our goal. While it is important to understand that everything in life is a natural progression, we must also acknowledge the reality that the human species has the ability to drastically slow and paralyze progress, through social structures which are out of date, dogmatic, and hence out of line with nature itself. The world you see today, full of war, corruption, elitism, pollution, poverty, epidemic disease, human rights abuses, inequality and crime is the result of this paralysis.

This movement is about awareness, in avocation of a fluid evolutionary progress, both personal, social, technological and spiritual. It recognizes that the human species is on a natural path for unification, derived from a communal acknowledgment of fundamental and near empirical understandings of how nature works and how we as humans fit into/are a part of this universal unfolding we call life. While this path does exist, it is unfortunately hindered and not recognized by the great majority of humans, who continue to perpetuate outdated and hence degenerative modes of conduct and association. It is this intellectual irrelevancy which the Zeitgeist Movement hopes to overcome through education and social action.

The goal is to revise our world society in accord with present day knowledge on all levels, not only creating awareness of social and technological possibilities many have been conditioned to think impossible or against "human nature", but also to provide a means to overcome those elements in society which perpetuate these outdated systems.

An important association, upon which many of the ideas of this movement are derived come from an organization called " The Venus Project" directed by social engineer and industrial designer, Jacque Fresco. He has worked nearly his entire life to create the tools needed to assist a design of the world which could eventually eradicate war, poverty, crime, social stratification and corruption. His notions are not radical or complex. They do not impose a subjective interpretation in their formation. In this model, society is created as a mirror of nature, with the variables predefined, inherently. The movement itself is not a centralized construct. We are not here to lead, but to organize and educate.


Key Points

1. TZM recognizes that our current conduct on this planet is unsustainable and advocates a transition into a new framework for society called a Resource Based Economy, as proposed by Jacque Fresco, founder of The Venus Project.

2. TZM recognizes that, through the humane use of technology, we can provide a near abundance of the necessities of life to all of the world's people, and aims to eliminate scarcity in as many areas as possible; creating a system of access rather than property and money.

3. TZM recognizes that our current employment model is outdated and not in line with the advancement of technology, and advocates working towards machine automation in the production of goods and services; removing the need for human labour wherever possible, while maximising efficiency.

4. TZM recognizes that society must have a symbiotic relationship with nature in order to be sustainable and achieve an ecological balance by living in harmony with the earth and not in spite of it.

5. TZM recognizes that nothing less than a complete shift in the way we operate on this planet is required if we wish to avoid social collapse on a global scale.

6. TZM aims to remove the conditions needed for governments and laws by addressing the root causes of our social problems by creating a more humane environment which through it's design, encourages and necessitates positive human behaviours and actions.

7. TZM advocates the scientific method applied to society for social concern, arriving at decisions based on statistical data and inferential logic geared towards maximum efficiency of operations, rather than opinions based on self and national interest.

8. TZM is primarily a social movement, advocating a system that encourages collaboration rather than competition and is based on unity and equality by design; while promoting a global shift in human values which are the most compatible for social sustainability.

9. TZM is not an institution or a political organization and whilst structured around projects, operates without hierarchy or leaders.

10. TZM's purpose is to initiate the transition into a Resource Based Economy by spreading awareness of the concept.

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Join Plato's Cave philosophers as we consider the folly or future of the Zeitgeist Worldwide Movement, The Venus Project, and the prospect of a Resource Based Economy.
 
Be sure to check the Plato’s Cave discussion and files sections where you can read, post and download documents that are relevant to this topic. 
 
-Steve, Plato's Cave Organizer



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  • Richard D.

    In general I like the precept of the Zeitgeist Movement of education and dialogue leading toward a harmonious society. However, I am concerned and curious about the prospect of evil that exists in the world; specifically in the hearts of men who prove to be unredeemable no matter what circumstances and opportunities for positive engagement are afforded them. What screening process could possibly preclude their "taking advantage" of situations for selfish gain at the expense and detriment of others and what recourse is deemed appropriate in resolving the dilemma of tolerating their existence if they refuse vehemently to conform to societal norms? Is capital punishment still available as an alternative to setting up communities (prisons) thereby merely indulging their sloth, corruption and degenerate behavior? I think that there is an ugly side of "necessary evils" that is going to have to be negotiated to pave the way for a society of peace, provision and tranquility.

    January 10, 2014

    • Ellen M.

      I have read and listen to a lot of what the Zeitgeist Movement has offered information wise-I says that LOTS of the psychosis you see in today's society is born of the way we raise our children to be competitive and to have to face the fear of judgement & embarrassment-they suggest that if people's basic needs were provided and if parents had more time to spend with their children and more peaceful and loving ways to raise them---then much of the "evil" you see today would not be present. There would still be a need to isolate and work with people with mental disease--but instead of punishment we would deal with them in a loving manner---no society will ever be perfect----BUT we believe that it could and would be so much better if you knew you never had to "fight" for your basic needs----we have no idea what changes in society are possible under those circumstances--

      January 11, 2014

  • Richard D.

    I'm pretty new to the Plato's Cave group and look forward to engaging in dialogues (as opposed to "arguments") that promote clear thinking and attitudes of respect for, in my opinion, the precept that not everything can be known or understood by us (humanity). As a Christian, I admit my views are consciously "slanted" toward my convictions so I try to keep an attitude of allowance that, among these, I could be in error. As I have neither the time nor power to effect any radical influence about these things, it behooves me to focus upon merely enjoying the process of communication rather than entertain any compulsion to enforce consequences I might be interested to witness.
    I just read the description about what the Zeitgeist Movement entails and I appreciate the clarity and simplicity by which it was conveyed. If my contributions of dialogue can be presented in a similar manner I think I will derive much enjoyment and, perhaps illumination from our shared discourses.
    Best regards_RDD

    1 · July 25, 2013

    • Jairo M.

      Welcome to Plato's Cave Hotel. You can check out any time, but you just can't leave (the interesting discussions).

      July 25, 2013

  • Steve

    We had some very good dialog. Our exchanges could have been better if participants had spent a little more time informing themselves about the Zeitgeist Movement, its claims and proposals in advance of our meeting. Many thanks to Ellen Morgan for joining the discussion and inviting Douglas Mallette as an informed guest. If you care to followup, you can watch Doug's interesting documentary "AWAKENING" at
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOO_AVwfZ9Q

    April 29, 2013

  • Swami

    There was some good discussion, but it generally lacked philosophical content. I for one would like to see Plato's Cave get back to philosophy. Perhaps a discussion on "truth/Truth". I listened to a very interesting podcast interview with William Gardner on his book, "Handling Truth: Navigating the Riptides of Rhetoric, Religion, Reason, and Research" which identified four "domains": rhetoric, mysticism, logic, and empiricism (http://www.equaltimeforfreethought.org/2013/04/20/show-459-william-gardner-on-handling-truth).

    April 28, 2013

    • amanda m.

      I love that swami. No one gets to the downsides when we are caught up explaining the essence of things like science. There are seperate domains.

      April 29, 2013

    • amanda m.

      I'm just glad my Mom hadn't died. It has nothing to do with IQ. (although math is some small veneer of protection) The vulnerabilty of the human soul is always there and the soul is a very substantial thing to lose. However, ill defined the concept of "soul" is. Cults work by praying on this frailty of human nature. In these harsh times they are multiplying like rabbits.

      April 29, 2013

  • Swami

    As for The Zeitgeist Movement (TZM), The Venus Project (TVP), and Resource-Based Economy (RBE) it seems there is a lot of consideration of the problems facing society, but relatively little organization and action. Perhaps this will come in time. Perhaps not. Very little was said about TVP. And RBE was left nebulous, at least to my understanding.

    I do want to thank the two somewhat knowledgeable TZM people, Doug, and Ellen, for coming out and sharing their views on things. I'm not sure of the factors, but some of the discussion was more "heated" than usual. I thought Doug and Ellen handled themselves very well.

    After the meeting, Jay and I agreed that a better name might be "The We Can Do Better Movement":)

    April 28, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Good discussion overall. There was a lot of material covered with many great questions and points being made. Doug did an outstanding job fielding the difficult questions and being brave enough, at times to admit he didn't have all the answers. I'm glad the opportunity was provided to hear multiple perspectives on the topic.

    April 28, 2013

  • Jairo M.

    so sorry.

    April 28, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Late but on my way

    April 28, 2013

  • D.F.

    If it is permissible to drop by later after the McBain lecture then I would like to. Interesting topic. Forgive my current ignorance on the topic . . . does it relate in any way to Occupy or is that too political?

    April 23, 2013

    • amanda m.

      I just started on facebook math and the economy. Few seem to be aware that wampum is a "medium of exchange." I was a member of "the Exchange" and used script. It was and is a trading organization. It is really hard to directly trade a toy for a package of cookies. But script makes it easy. This is as per usual, a scam. I feel sorry for those taken in. Follow the money. Who is cashing in and is their no oversight because unlike Amway is it labeled a religion? I suppose no one checks scientology books either.

      April 28, 2013

    • amanda m.

      Accounting books. Is this a way to avoid simple everyday stuff that you and I have to do when we make money- like pay taxes?

      April 28, 2013

  • Swami

    Interesting satirical promotion of TZM:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4xVqL5ZQco

    April 28, 2013

  • Ellen M.

    One of my guests is very active in The Zeitgeist Movement and speaks at huge venues all over the world--he just happens to live in Orlando so I invited him and he's coming!!!!!

    April 27, 2013

  • Ellen M.

    I am a member of The Zeitgeist Movement and have been volunteering and participating and researching it since 2010 at least---so I have never been to one of your talks but I often read the comments and enjoy the different points of view shared here---when I saw what you guys were going to talk about I decided to move heaven and earth (well not really) to be able to attend. I have MANY youtube videos that I would love to share with you guys and I will probably bring a sheet with the URL for several of the really good ones--but this one is done by a friend of mine that lives here in FL and he's remarkable and talks about The Zeitgeist Movement really in a grass roots way---
    http://youtu.be/LNDUa4wWFrs hope this comes through---looking forward to the talk.

    April 26, 2013

  • mikeee

    1,0 who or what is the McBain lecture???

    2.0 methinx under zeitgeist u could come to austins coffee house, eat/drink all u want and never get a check.

    3.0 worked for the jamestown new world settlement, sorta worx for CUBA & michael moore 4.0 "the spirit of the age" or "the spirit of time" or "ghost of time" or something like that, but I have no idea what it has to do with psyche or communism or the FOMC??


    inquiring minds want to know ????

    April 24, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      Teresa McBain is a former minister who is now an atheist. She is giving a talk at 1pm on Sunday at the university club of winter park. It's 5 dollars to attend unless you are part of the group that is hosting the event.

      April 24, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      Check out the links I posted about zeitgeist.

      April 24, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    I remember watching almost the whole Zeitgeist movie except I didn't finish the whole part about banking at the end. It was really convincing at the time but of course that was considering that I didn't take the time to fact check what they said and so temporarily accepted what they said in the movie. Since then, I have heard about many inaccuracies stated in the movie. So, has anyone searched for sources that attempt to debunk this movie? I found a couple. http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/articles/zeitgeist/part-two/

    http://skeptoid.com/mobile/4196

    There is also a Wikipedia article about it that includes what some people have criticized about it. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist:_The_Movie

    April 24, 2013

  • Tim B.

    I wonder if the key points misstate the ongoing, evolving world we actually experience. Yes, there are definite problems with many current practices and sustainability, and yes, the productive capacity of the world could radically diminish the ravages of poverty for so many in its grips, but the assertion that it is a fact that we have the capacity to create abundance for all hyperbolically overstates our actual capacities.

    Even if we assume that we have the physical productive capacity to provide what everyone would consider "abundance" (and that assumption is not obviously true and may be false) it does not necessarily follow that we have the ability to effectively distribute what is needed to those who need it. Nor is it certain that we can indefinitely continue to produce at such a level, if we embrace an "abundance for all" ethos. Human behavior, especially on a global scale, is astronomically complex, so we should not expect to easily change it.

    1 · April 22, 2013

    • Jairo M.

      If science can show us the technologies and the path to clean and efficiently produced energy that can beat all other old forms of energy creation (oil, coal), would those in power who depend on their wealth through oil and coal be willing to change their way? I would hope they would lead the way, but maybe their habitual ways prevents them from doing so, and they may even be trying to prevent others from doing so in order to protect their investments.

      April 22, 2013

    • D.F.

      Tim are you here or in San Diego?

      April 23, 2013

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