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Cheers! Why We Need Norm(s): Brains, Language, and Persons

Hi all,

I'll be out of town for the next several months, but before I leave I thought I'€d suggest a topic that might be of interest. I'd like to explore the question of what capacities we can appropriately apply to the brain, that is, what we can legitimately say the brain, on its own (whatever that might mean), is able or unable to do, versus those capacities and processes that require social interactions between persons. I think this picks up on a few threads from recent meetings, specifically the reductionism discussion and, to a certain extent, our meeting on Freud. This may sound somewhat technical and dry, but I think we can have an interesting conversation between people who may or may not be familiar with these issues. I'm keeping the topic fairly open, though this (perhaps obscure) question might be a good place to start: when can we say some process or system is capable of being wrong?

I've suggested January 27th as a date. If not enough people can make it that day, I'€™ll go ahead and table the topic till some other time.

People named Norm are welcome.

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  • Dale J.

    great

    January 29, 2013

  • John

    I would like to add that I do think this group does need to take stock of how the discussions are organized, and perhaps explore ways of improving the flow of conversation and ensuring that threads are followed through. Some attempts to do so were introduced today, and while I appreciate the efforts, I think they proved distracting particularly at the start. Though of course I could have done a better job moderating, especially as I suggested the topic in the first place. Also, at one point it was said that reflexes do not involve the brain: however the brain can be involved in the learning of conditioned reflexes. Just a pedantic point of correction.

    January 27, 2013

    • Envie

      Hi John! I disagree, I think you were very good at moderating and did a much better job than I ever did.

      January 28, 2013

    • Envie

      To continue, I agree, we need to systemize when the group is large. Swami sugggested an egg timer yesterday. I would add going around the group and just giving everyone an automatic turn when we are in groups of more than 10. Or split into two groups of ten, and have the moderator float.

      January 28, 2013

  • John

    Thanks to everyone who showed up. I apologize for not framing the issues/questions more clearly from the get go. That said, I do think the discussion helped clarify some of my thinking, so thanks again for everyone's contributions and patience.

    January 27, 2013

  • John

    It turns out this coming Sunday, the 20th, may be a better day for me for this meeting. However I'd like to get a sense of whether people would be able to make it on such short notice. If it's too inconvenient for most to make the change then I'll keep the date as is - I just won't be able to stay for as lengthy a discussion.

    January 17, 2013

    • Jairo M.

      As soon as you schedule a date and folks sign up, it is hard to change the date. Alternatively we could have two meetups on this same topic: one for 20th and one for 27th? That would allow those who can't come one day to come the other. What do you think?

      January 18, 2013

    • John

      I agree. We'll keep to the original date, the 27th. Sorry to introduce any confusion. So again, just to repeat and be clear: the meeting will be on the 27th as originally stated.

      January 18, 2013

  • Envie

    Reply to John's full disclosure: Ok that's it! I'm not going now! Jk it sounds interesting.

    January 16, 2013

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