No problem - I'm guessing that we all knew you didn't mean it that way.
Bob has a compelling premise and a desire to make his novel as good as it can be. He also struck me as someone with enough self-confidence to take the criticism/suggestions that he agrees with and disregard the rest. Isn't that, ultimately, what we all have to do?
Oh - and just so you don't feel bad, you're not the only one who benefits from a thump upside the head on occasion. As a person with no filter, I need a minimum of one a day.
0 · July 6
My apologies, Linda. My girlfriend has thumped me upside the head a few times and schooled me about my preconceptions regarding genre. I am not a genre reader myself so my statements were off the cuff and not well thought out or supported by research. I did not mean to imply that women were less intelligent. That's not how I feel and I am sorry if I somehow conveyed that.
This is kind of strayed a little far from Bob and his work and is perhaps a little too public. I'll leave it there, with a sincere and heartfelt apology to anyone who might have taken offense at my words.
0 · July 6
You seem like a really nice guy Scott, so I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you didn't just say that women read mindless schlock because their tiny little brains can't handle the intricacies of politics and technology.
In any cast, the demographics behind Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (a political/technological thriller) don't support your premise. Goodreads.com says that twice as many women as men read the book.
Roger was very direct in his comments about how difficult the publishing world can be and I can only imagine that an agent or editor would be equally direct or, more likely, brutally direct with his or her authors.
I am new to the group and have not yet fully grasped the group dynamics. If the purpose of the group is to improve our writing and work toward being published, don't we owe it to each other to be open about the strengths and weaknesses of the samples we read?
0 · July 6
In Bob's defense, from a previous workshop he submitted to it's clear he understands the genre he's inspired by. The characters, men and women, in such books are two-dimensional 'cardboard cut-outs'. They're there to move the plot forward and not much else. I also question whether 80% of women would read a political/technological thriller. Women and men read different things sometimes and the book industry does play to this. After all I'm sure >80% of men would avoid Danielle Steele like the plague.
That said though, Roger's comment about starting off Bob's piece with a bang is very much in keeping with the dictates of that genre. And Linda's comment about the work needing to stand on its own is good practice regardless of audience size or genre. And, Bob, I hope you'll look into my book recommendation. In general the book might not be your cup of tea, but the character I mentioned could be a suitable inspiration/model for Debbie.
0 · July 5
We were all trying to help Bob and he knows it, and I'm sure he realizes he has a lot of changes to make to succeed with the book. It falls right in with the current interests in political/high-tech thrillers and there's an excellent chance of finding a literary agent to represent it with a view to getting it published via the traditional route. Kudos to Bob for coming up with an excellent premise.
0 · July 4
Kudos to Donna for rounding out our submissions! She joins the other three mentioned below so we're all set. Now we all just have to read on them and comment on them in about a week-and-a-half.
Thank you to everyone for putting your work in. Just finished reading the first two chapters of the collaborative novel so I'm excited to read some more work!
0 · June 22
Sorry. When i uploaded my file, it was double-spaced but the upload didn't retain the formatting...
0 · June 21
I'm having a hard time figuring out which files are scheduled for disussion on 7/2 and didn't see anything from Bob, as mentioned below. Maybe it is a permissions issue?
0 · June 20
Well, time got away from me it seems! We have just over two weeks until the next night-time writer's workshop (this one) and only one submission so far. So who wants to be brave? I'd do so myself but I'm only halfway through a rewrite at the moment. Anyone got something they're ready for feedback on?
Also, as a quick note, please keep in mind this one is set for Tuesday night because the 4th of July is Thursday.
0 · June 17
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