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Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - I'm a bit confused on how I specifically requested that you John D. Feb 21, 2014 1:34 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Hi Sara, My surprise at your earlier note was not tied to assumptions based on your n Eugene C. Feb 21, 2014 12:39 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Eugene, Perhaps you have made an assumption about me from my name and you completely missed the "from 200 Sara O. Feb 20, 2014 11:58 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Hi Sara, I'm a bit surprised at what you've written. It seems rather out of keeping w Eugene C. Feb 20, 2014 10:12 PM
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Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - It seems rather funny to me to hang your whole world view on a few words and agreements that have been translated sev Sara O. Feb 20, 2014 7:12 PM
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Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - To add to what John just said, I am not aware of any way to prove or disprove the David Feb 20, 2014 3:29 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Hi John, I suppose that I'm a bit confused by your claim that arguments which conclud Eugene C. Feb 20, 2014 3:28 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Also, something significant for what I wrote below: I've forgotten to update our discussion about the Christopher Feb 20, 2014 3:15 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - It's very telling that theists almost always ignore the John D. Feb 20, 2014 2:59 PM
This Bill 'Would Eviscerate The Teaching Of Biology' - This Bill 'Would Eviscerate The Teaching Of Biology' - http://huff.to/1gWiF7Z DaveN More interested in reality David Feb 20, 2014 2:46 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - All right. That explanation seems clear enough. I suppose that I, too, have a "background" belief that causes me Christopher Feb 20, 2014 2:15 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Hi John, I don't think it's accurate to say that every argument for God "can be reduc Eugene C. Feb 20, 2014 1:53 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Eugene C. Feb 20, 2014 1:33 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - " John D. Feb 20, 2014 1:31 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - By the way, Eugene, it strongly seems to me that your position is a faith-claim. It certainly doesn't rest on any good Christopher Feb 20, 2014 12:44 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - LOL Eugene C. Feb 20, 2014 12:36 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Certainly. I think the discussion has been well worthwhile, because I think it has clarified both our positions--at le Christopher Feb 20, 2014 12:33 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Hi Chris, As they say, honorable men can disagree. Sincerely Eugene C. Feb 20, 2014 12:30 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - It takes a lot of imagination to see those citations (which really = 1 citation) as support for anything to do with your pos Christopher Feb 20, 2014 12:23 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Hi Chris, I'm gratified that you came around and granted my schema. Seriously, I am. Eugene C. Feb 20, 2014 11:59 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Hi John, I appreciate you're willingness to take the correction. Also, for the record Eugene C. Feb 20, 2014 11:51 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Eugene, Christopher Feb 20, 2014 11:43 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Sorry, yes. gMatt and gLuke, probably via some other source. John D. Feb 20, 2014 11:05 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Hi John, The Gospel According to Mark doesn't include the virgin birth. Eugene C. Feb 20, 2014 10:41 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Well, one likely reason is that recent research (already bro John D. Feb 20, 2014 10:33 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Hi Chris, My analysis is, admittedly, not entirely comprehensive. For example, there Eugene C. Feb 20, 2014 7:18 AM
Food for thought art and traditions - Sara O. Feb 19, 2014 8:12 PM
Aristotle believed that the universe had existed for ever. - What's Happening in Syria Is an Abomination By Steven Hawking, Guardian UK Sara O. Feb 19, 2014 6:40 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Let me make an important addition to my message immediately below: How I addressed your question assumed that your ana Christopher Feb 19, 2014 5:54 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Eugene, Christopher Feb 19, 2014 5:39 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Hi Chris, Okay, I have a good sense of your argument now. I agree with a number of th Eugene C. Feb 19, 2014 4:57 PM
Fw: Fw: Call Gov. Sam Brownback - Penelope C. Feb 19, 2014 4:45 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Again, I'm not at all saying--and I have repeatedly denied--that Mt. misappropriated and/or deliberately misinterpreted Isai Christopher Feb 19, 2014 4:02 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Eugene, I hold the former to the lower standard because I've experienced people who did indeed cheat on their spouse despite my opinion that it was very unlikely.  Also, cheating is not at all uncommon, wouldn't y Mark Feb 19, 2014 3:25 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] For Dave, re. mythicism - Paintings?! I'm done. Sincerely, Eu Eugene C. Feb 19, 2014 3:04 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - I'll try to toss a few germane quotations your way as I come across them, using the limited resources I have on hand. Here's Christopher Feb 19, 2014 3:01 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] For Dave, re. mythicism - I did read what you wrote, however, I have been sailing on salt water for about 40 David Feb 19, 2014 2:59 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Hi Chris, Okay, I stand corrected. But then I really am stumped as to why you think M Eugene C. Feb 19, 2014 2:52 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - "I've gotten the impression in this discussion tha Christopher Feb 19, 2014 2:48 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Hi Mark, What you've said is really interesting. I can understand the asymmetry of cr Eugene C. Feb 19, 2014 2:47 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] For Dave, re. mythicism - Dave, "The 'Sea of Galillee storms' are fantasy to anyone with deep water boating exp Eugene C. Feb 19, 2014 2:37 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Eugene, That chain-of-but-two-links doesn't strike me as overly tenuous. But perhaps we just disagree on that point.  Mark Feb 19, 2014 2:37 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] For Dave, re. mythicism - Eugene, Sorry, been busy. &n David Feb 19, 2014 2:31 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Hi Chris, I've gotten the impression in this discussion that you think that Matthew's Eugene C. Feb 19, 2014 2:24 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - I just do not buy your false parody of my argument, which I've already stated as clearly as I can. Christopher Feb 19, 2014 2:22 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - The Christians' use of HS texts was precisely a major reason why most Jews did not accept Christianity, and why Christianity Christopher Feb 19, 2014 2:21 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - I admitted explicitly that it didn't solve the problem. But I can tell you with confidence that scholars agree that th Christopher Feb 19, 2014 2:20 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Hi Mark, You wrote, in response to something I wrote, that "to say plausibility drops Eugene C. Feb 19, 2014 2:18 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Eugene, But, if I'm understanding you correctly, it sounds like you're now utilizing something akin to the "principle of ana Mark Feb 19, 2014 2:07 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Hi Chris, It's actually worse than that. The argument actually works something like t Eugene C. Feb 19, 2014 1:55 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Hi Chris, How is that an answer to my question? It seems more like a lengthy way of s Eugene C. Feb 19, 2014 1:52 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Because they had to reinterpret the nature of Jesus after his death, which was, of course, not supposed to happen. Lots of t Christopher Feb 19, 2014 1:48 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Hi Chris, I hear you. But I think that you might not be hearing me. Eugene C. Feb 19, 2014 1:25 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Eugene, Christopher Feb 19, 2014 1:13 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] For Dave, re. mythicism - David, I can't help but think that you're changing the subject. Eugene C. Feb 19, 2014 1:05 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Hi Mark, Yes, I grant that simple dilemmas and trilemmas like this often over-look th Eugene C. Feb 19, 2014 1:03 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Hi Mark, Okay, I understand your thinking here, and I grant that you're not applying Eugene C. Feb 19, 2014 1:01 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] For Dave, re. mythicism - Eugene, Not only have I recently read James Ha David Feb 19, 2014 12:45 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Here's an interesting quote from a review of "When Prophecy Fails" On oft repeated chestnut in the p Mark Feb 19, 2014 12:33 PM
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Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Eugene, I can see why you might think I'm applying a double standard here.  I don't think I am because I am merely saying that it's a possibility.  Since I have other evidence of this being a very plausible po Mark Feb 19, 2014 11:42 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] a theist and an atheist walk into a TV show - It's what makes the humor work. Which is why the attempt at humor by conservative talk radio hosts doesn't. Fred On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 8:3 Fred Feb 19, 2014 11:12 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Hi Mark, You've written some good stuff here, and I want to think about it further be Eugene C. Feb 19, 2014 11:06 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Eugene, I haven't read it in a while and I probably will soon for a refresher. Yes, the RA's being less than casual observers might have skewed the observations they did make.  It's do Mark Feb 19, 2014 10:51 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Eugene, I agree that paralleling the first C Chris P. Feb 19, 2014 10:39 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Chris, It's been a while since I've read it, so I'm sure it's much more fresh in your mind.  I like what you said about trying harder to self-inspect your own beliefs, that's something I took away too. Mark Feb 19, 2014 10:06 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] For Dave, re. mythicism - Hi Sara, It's certainly true that there are a lot of different translations of the Bi Eugene C. Feb 19, 2014 9:53 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Hi Mark, I can't say that I've read Festinger's book, but it certainly comes up from Eugene C. Feb 19, 2014 8:41 AM
a theist and an atheist walk into a TV show - This is fun, the theist complains about theists and the atheist complains about atheists. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v­=dJXtCUBwBCI Elena Feb 19, 2014 8:36 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] For Dave, re. mythicism - http://www.alternet.org/belief­/5-scandalous-marriages-bibl Sara O. Feb 19, 2014 8:14 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Mark, I just so happened to have finished th Chris P. Feb 19, 2014 8:11 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] For Dave, re. mythicism - Eugene, There are many bible interpretations. There are as many Sara O. Feb 19, 2014 8:04 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - How times has each c hristian religion named failed dates of return? And based on this wouldn't it be reasonable to guess that i Sara O. Feb 18, 2014 10:18 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Has anyone read "When Prophecy Fails" by Leon Festinger? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki­/When_Prophecy_Fails What happens when a group's expectations are not Mark Feb 18, 2014 8:30 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Hi Chris, I largely agree with you take on Jesus's messiah-ship. The critical questio Eugene C. Feb 18, 2014 7:54 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - As for the virgin birth claim, I think I've satisfactorily indicated how it came about; and I think this explanations is acc Christopher Feb 18, 2014 6:46 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Eugene, Christopher Feb 18, 2014 6:19 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Hi Chris, Yet again, I wrote you a super-amazing email flawlessly addressing each of Eugene C. Feb 18, 2014 1:11 PM
For Dave, re. mythicism - Eugene C. Feb 18, 2014 10:46 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Nye on GOP - His debate techniques were the same. And the issues are the same. Science vs fanta David Feb 17, 2014 3:56 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Article by social psychologist Jonathan Haidt about "motivated reasoning" - The article mentions David Hume, who is also part of Haidt's book The Righteous Mi David Feb 17, 2014 3:31 PM
Gun murders 'rose after law repeal' - Gun murders 'rose after law repeal' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/scie­nce-environment-26222578 That is rather close by. DaveN L David Feb 17, 2014 12:34 PM
God TV Forrest - http://zcomm.org/znetarticle/j­esu Sara O. Feb 17, 2014 11:31 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Another example illustrating what I wrote about fulfillment citations: The narratives of Jesus's birth, which appear i Christopher Feb 17, 2014 11:27 AM
Birth Of The Fundamentalists - Sara O. Feb 17, 2014 11:18 AM
The Designers of Disasters - http://aptn.ca/news/2014/02/14­/cracked- Sara O. Feb 17, 2014 10:13 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Nye on GOP - Makes me wonder if he didn't debate the creationist in order to draw a parallel between creationism and climate change denial... On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 6:27 PM, David Ray Feb 17, 2014 7:56 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Eugene, Eugene, thanks David Feb 16, 2014 7:37 PM
Pam - David Feb 16, 2014 7:12 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - Virgin birth was all the rage for gods and demi-gods back in those times. The Chri David Feb 16, 2014 7:08 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - The 'moon-landing denier crackpots' are more credible than people who have spent their entire profession Eugene C. Feb 16, 2014 7:03 PM
Book - 2014Feb19 at 19:00 location TBD, Modern Science in the Ancient World - Book meet: 2014Feb19 at 19:00 location TBD, Modern Science in the Ancient David Feb 16, 2014 7:00 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - As with the fourth "suffering servant" song in Isaiah, the eric Feb 16, 2014 6:58 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - "But what I've sketched out above is, apart from the mythicist crac Christopher Feb 16, 2014 6:57 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Are religious groups entitled to discrimination? - I find it amazing that retail businesses would willingly lose 15% or more of David Feb 16, 2014 6:55 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - "As such, it's highly unlikely that the early Christian community ma Christopher Feb 16, 2014 6:46 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - It is amazing what people are willing to believe when they really want to believe. David Feb 16, 2014 6:38 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] resurrection story - "So it is highly unlikely that Matthew or Luke made up the story of Jesus Christopher Feb 16, 2014 6:37 PM

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