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Re: [Provocateurs] No Provocateurs tonight, but next Friday ... - The question that will be asked at the start of the meetup is: how many connected devices to the internet do you already own?  Examples are: cell phones, computers, tablets, mp3 players, e-books, video games, fitbit,  digital camera, vide Doug Sep 6, 2014 11:47 AM
No Provocateurs tonight, but next Friday ... - Hey everybody, Next Friday night's Provocateurs & Peacemakers will be chock-full of information about ... information:  about the h Fred Sep 5, 2014 5:09 PM
Christian Worldview explains scientific mystery - David Sep 5, 2014 1:27 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - Are you seriously trying to suggest that Christianity does not have any elements of Judaism in it? My point is that you give a real human named Jesus or Yeshua a low probability because you keep insisting they would have to Ray Sep 3, 2014 9:17 AM
Vladimir Putyin is Christian - It is nice to know that Putyin is Christian, as he goes about creating Novaya Rossia (transliterated to Western alphabet). Novaya Ro David Sep 2, 2014 4:50 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - Ray, Re: Santa Claus. Santa is Spanish for E. saint. Niclaus, Claus, isn't much of a stretch. I hadn't heard Neptune and Nike for Santa. David Sep 2, 2014 4:41 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - Ray, I make very few assumptions: Human babies aren't likely to be born of vigins. It is unlikely that so many gods are born on Decembe David Sep 2, 2014 4:32 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - For one thing, Jesus never actually claimed to be divine either. Secondly Santa is based on Neptune and Nike, and I could get into the questionable origins of many saints which appear to be reworked pagan deities which apparently ' Ray Sep 2, 2014 3:31 PM
Did Jesus Exsit - David Sep 1, 2014 11:12 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Christianity and Other Religions - Eugene, Christopher Aug 29, 2014 4:06 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Re: Random theological thought while watching a video - Raj: I did not state that Ockham's razor is a fundamental law -- it is not.  It is a guiding assumption in science.  You are correct, no assumption about the existence or non-existence of Keith M. Aug 29, 2014 11:39 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Random theological thought while watching a video - Raj: Keith M. Aug 29, 2014 11:11 AM
Re: Random theological thought while watching a video - Occam's razor is not a fundamental law but is a very neat exploratory tool. The burden of proof lies with the theist. You can't disprove god, but neither can you disprove the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Also, god is not a trivial assumption. Especia Raj Aug 29, 2014 11:10 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Random theological thought while watching a video - Trevor: You asked: "I'm curious as to why the universe can't be 'stable' withou Keith M. Aug 29, 2014 11:02 AM
Re: Provocateurs and Peacemakers Mailing List Daily Digest - This video gives the best description of the Supreme Being that I've ever seen Elena Aug 29, 2014 10:33 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Question - My experience is surely anomalous. When I was 18, I was utterly incapable of belie Christopher Aug 29, 2014 1:19 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Random theological thought while watching a video - Thanks for clarifying, Eugene. I understand your position better. On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Eugene Curry < Raj Aug 28, 2014 7:38 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Random theological thought while watching a video - Hi Raj, Eugene C. Aug 28, 2014 1:49 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Random theological thought while watching a video - Hey Keith, I'm curious as to why the universe can't be 'stable' without god acting to keep it that way. Shouldn't we make the fewest possible assumptions and conclude the universe exists, and continues Trevor S. Aug 28, 2014 1:11 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Random theological thought while watching a video - Sorry to indulge in mind-masturbation. I'm not a fan of it all all. But say, you wind the clock back to the beginning of life on this planet (I'm not even going back to the big bang) and replay it multiple times. How many times woul Raj Aug 28, 2014 1:11 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Random theological thought while watching a video - Keith: What does ' actively sustains the ongoing natural processes' mean exactly? Could you elaborate?  Raj Aug 28, 2014 12:57 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Random theological thought while watching a video - Hi Raj, Eugene C. Aug 28, 2014 12:45 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Random theological thought while watching a video - Raj: Your proposed dichotomy of a tinkering God vs a deistic first cause is a commonly stated one.  However, it does not recognize a whole category of positions that are neither of these.  God does not have to Keith M. Aug 28, 2014 12:44 PM
P & P current financial statement - Hey everybody, Here's an update on money collected and spent for Provocateurs & Peacemakers.   We have our 6-month meetup website payment due shortly and not shown yet below, but o Fred Aug 28, 2014 12:41 PM
Random theological thought while watching a video - So I was watching this amazing google tech talk  https://www.youtube.com/watch?­v=WOwcDr-A3to from Steve Jurvetson, a scary-smart, visionary venture capitalist. I got a random theolog Raj Aug 28, 2014 12:20 PM
Christianity and Other Religions - Hi Everyone, At our recent dialogue on things the "other side" should know, I spoke briefly about Eugene C. Aug 26, 2014 10:58 AM
Free will - Just wanted to say I really enjoyed the thoughtful comments and quotes Doug posted as a follow-up to our discussion of a post-free will society.  I think there's much in the following excerpts from Doug that th Fred Aug 25, 2014 1:10 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - Ray, 100% is not attainable, when it happened 2,000 years ago.   David Aug 25, 2014 12:08 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Fwd: Darrel Ray - need RSVPs - Bob, The most important thing when signing up for anything, is, don't give the David Aug 25, 2014 11:49 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Fwd: Darrel Ray - need RSVPs - Fred, I've tried to sign up, but cannot find a button on the Facebook page that permits it. (I rarely use Facebook). Bob Hooper Robert H. Aug 25, 2014 10:59 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - It wasn't the existence of Christians that was secret, but their membership and meeting places. Of course somehow the lineage of bishops survived this period of being outlawed, including lineage of popes/patriarchs. In Ray Aug 25, 2014 8:12 AM
Fwd: Darrel Ray - need RSVPs - Forwarding to Provocateur friends for any who are interested in next Monday's speaking event by Darrel Ray ... Fred Fred Aug 24, 2014 10:32 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Tomorrow, Friday: LAZY READERS and DISCUSSION ON A "POST-FREE WILL" SOCIETY - I enjoyed the Moon is a Harsh Mistress (1966) by Robert A. Heinlein. Publ David Aug 24, 2014 10:19 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - Ray, Are we agreeing or disagreeing? A further com David Aug 24, 2014 9:48 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - The fact is that there were both wandering prophets and mystery cults at the time. Mystery cults tended to be founded by individuals. Either way then it traces back to an individual- in fact given what lore and evidence there is I woul Ray Aug 24, 2014 9:26 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - Ray, The Bible is historical fiction, more fiction than history. You and I are just disagreeing on probabilities. I give wandering prophe David Aug 23, 2014 6:52 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] We have to believe in free will. We have no choice. - Reasoner, I finished Brotherhood of Tyrants by D Jablow Hershman. Pretty good David Aug 23, 2014 2:11 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] We have to believe in free will. We have no choice. - Free will is not absolute, but we have to beha reasoner Aug 23, 2014 11:53 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Tomorrow, Friday: LAZY READERS and DISCUSSION ON A "POST-FREE WILL" SOCIETY - Great meeting last night.  I really enjoyed the discussion on free will and determinisms.  I felt like I learned something and shared some connections.  What makes Doug Aug 23, 2014 11:10 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - You seem to have a leap in logic here- that if there was a historical Jesus that the bible must be an accurate portrayal of his life. When I (and I believe most) people speak about a historical Jesus that assumption is not part of it. Ray Aug 23, 2014 8:44 AM
TONIGHT: Friday: LAZY READERS and DISCUSSION ON A "POST-FREE WILL" SOCIETY - Tonight, Friday, Aug 22, 7 p.m., Lenexa Price Chopper: 2-PARTER: Fred Aug 22, 2014 4:13 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] We have to believe in free will. We have no choice. - Free will is a delusion! DaveN Materialist David Aug 22, 2014 12:37 PM
We have to believe in free will. We have no choice. - That's the absurd nature of the world we live in.  To the extent that we are able to suc reasoner Aug 22, 2014 7:08 AM
Bayesian Updater vs. Heuristic Efficiency - Bayesian Updater vs. Heuristic Efficiency The David Aug 21, 2014 6:46 PM
Tomorrow, Friday: LAZY READERS and DISCUSSION ON A "POST-FREE WILL" SOCIETY - Tomorrow, Friday, Aug 22, 7 p.m., Lenexa Price Chopper: 2-PARTER: Fred Aug 21, 2014 5:19 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] ARCHEOLOGY OF NAZARETH - OK, Dave, then you do have a dog in this fight, and I'm partly responsible, and I guess the point is, it's best if I just shut up.  That's easier, actually. Fred Fred Aug 21, 2014 1:45 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - to Eugene: My goodness, I really like your reply to Bill. A book I’m reading now suggests there are a lot Judith S. Aug 21, 2014 1:21 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - Bill, I can sympathize with your position here. B Eugene C. Aug 21, 2014 12:38 PM
Frank Shaefer time and place info - I forgot to include the time and place: David C. Aug 21, 2014 11:17 AM
Backslider Frank Shaefer, son of evengelical philosopher Francis Shaefer at DT Library tonight. - In the 60s - 70s Fran David C. Aug 21, 2014 11:09 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - Iconoclast! Where's the fun in dealing with reality? DaveN Iconoclast David Aug 21, 2014 9:53 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - common sense tells us that none of these things can happen; raising people from th Willard ". Aug 21, 2014 9:32 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] ARCHEOLOGY OF NAZARETH - Fred, until I met you, I didn't reach so hard in one direction :-) correlation isn't causation. You and I met at the Black Dog. For me, Chistianity, Islam, r David Aug 20, 2014 6:04 PM
Fwd: This Friday: LAZY READERS and MEANING OF FREE WILL DISCUSSION - This Friday, Aug 22, 7 p.m., Lenexa Price Chopper: 2-PARTER: Fred Aug 20, 2014 4:56 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] ARCHEOLOGY OF NAZARETH - Dave, I'm a number 2 on the Dawkins scale.  Usually.  Yeah, I was in Israel on business years ago during my previous incarnation as a young filmmaker, and had little time (or desire) to go looking at the touristy si Fred Aug 20, 2014 4:29 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] ARCHEOLOGY OF NAZARETH - Fred, That was genuinely usefull information. Thanks. Do you know anything about the tour company there? It apparently caters to American David Aug 20, 2014 2:45 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Hi Chris, Eugene C. Aug 20, 2014 12:37 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Eugene, Christopher Aug 20, 2014 12:01 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] ARCHEOLOGY OF NAZARETH - Dave, You're not only really reaching here, but you're reaching based on demonstrably mistaken notions.  If you're saying that Jesus of Nazareth couldn't have gone to the temple and turned the tables of t Fred Aug 20, 2014 11:43 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] ARCHEOLOGY OF NAZARETH - So, Jesus going to the temple to turn the tables on the money changers seems somewhat implausible? There were no temples. What David Aug 20, 2014 12:25 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Eugenem, Christopher Aug 19, 2014 10:07 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Hi Chris, Eugene C. Aug 19, 2014 9:38 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Eugene, Christopher Aug 19, 2014 9:31 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Eugene, Christopher Aug 19, 2014 9:27 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Hi Chris, Eugene C. Aug 19, 2014 9:08 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Eugene, Christopher Aug 19, 2014 8:22 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - Right on, Raj.  The ID people (more accurately "Anti-Evolution people") need to understand that evolution does this using of existing technology much better than their inflexible, short-lived, large-scale-design-change-for-­every- Fred Aug 19, 2014 6:21 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] ARCHEOLOGY OF NAZARETH - Excavating Jesus , pp. 23-36, contains a good summary of what ar eric Aug 19, 2014 3:00 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - typo correction: other check --> other cheek Eugene C. Aug 19, 2014 2:15 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Hi Chris, Eugene C. Aug 19, 2014 2:07 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - Haven't studied this enough, but here's an example of intelligent design:  http://cleantechnica.com/2013/­01/24/v3solar-spin-cell-cones-­cheap-solar/ Raj Aug 19, 2014 1:56 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - One of the ironies is that people in the 'Intelligent Design' movement and their followers don't know enough about what 'Intelligent Design' is and what it could be. I'd strongly recommend a Design Engineering course Raj Aug 19, 2014 1:50 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - A further note, which I have mentioned before: The vast remove in time, place, and culture between us, on the one hand Christopher Aug 19, 2014 1:26 PM
Re: Fwd: Re: [Provocateurs] This Friday: LAZY READERS and MEANING OF FREE WILL DISCUSSION - A better analogy might be an early personal computer, with modules connected together th David Aug 19, 2014 10:47 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] ARCHEOLOGY OF NAZARETH - Eric, How about a few hints for the lazy readers? I found it on Kindle for $11 David Aug 19, 2014 10:44 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] This Friday: LAZY READERS and MEANING OF FREE WILL DISCUSSION - Another way of looking at it, is that we convince ourselves, after the fact, say 300 ms David Aug 19, 2014 10:36 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - If a neighbor 2 miles away was giving away free Royals tickets to the big game, you woul David Aug 19, 2014 10:28 AM
Fwd: Re: [Provocateurs] This Friday: LAZY READERS and MEANING OF FREE WILL DISCUSSION - I neglected to add that the September issue of Harper's has an article by Edward O Wilson en eric Aug 19, 2014 9:59 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] ARCHEOLOGY OF NAZARETH - For a discussion of the archeology of Nazareth, including the first ce eric Aug 19, 2014 9:28 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] A Moral Conundrum - Dave: Thank you for your note and invitation.  However, my other commitments -- teaching at K-State, writing and editing, involvement with Kansas Citizens for Science, work for the local Democratic Party, work with the A Keith M. Aug 19, 2014 9:11 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] This Friday: LAZY READERS and MEANING OF FREE WILL DISCUSSION - Quote of the Day from Isaac Bashevis Singer: "W eric Aug 19, 2014 9:00 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - There are a lot of possible explanations, and many of the names of Jesus came much later than his lifetime. Nazareth not being listed does not mean it does not exist, and I know that recently I have found out there have been people liv Ray Aug 19, 2014 8:55 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - Eugene, I can't tell if you are really interested in this issue or you are pla David Aug 18, 2014 10:22 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - Dave, You don't seem to be understanding my question. A little while back Eugene C. Aug 18, 2014 9:53 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - Eugene, It depends on when Jesus was said to exist. If it was David Aug 18, 2014 9:43 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] A Moral Conundrum - Keith (specifically replying to Keith Miller), I haven't gotten to know you, s David Aug 18, 2014 9:25 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] A Moral Conundrum - JohnM, David Aug 18, 2014 9:11 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] This Friday: LAZY READERS and MEANING OF FREE WILL DISCUSSION - I for one don't take this on board so quickly (Science does seem to reverse itself frequently after all).  Though I know we can see that the process may be correct in the dimension where such things live, we don't live there.  If Frank Aug 18, 2014 8:57 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - Dave, Eugene C. Aug 18, 2014 8:33 PM
What Muhammad Ali said in 1971 - David Aug 18, 2014 8:21 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - Ray, Look at the more carefull reply that I sent to Eugene. It is also availab David Aug 18, 2014 8:16 PM
This Friday: LAZY READERS and MEANING OF FREE WILL DISCUSSION - This Friday, Aug 22, 7 p.m., Lenexa Price Chopper: 2-PARTER: PART 1, DISCUSSION:  WHAT WILL IT MEAN WHEN WE DECIDE FREE WILL IS AN ILLUSION Fred Aug 18, 2014 8:12 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] argument that Jesus did not exist - Eugene, I remember reading about the eyewitnesses t David Aug 18, 2014 8:03 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - Another explanation is that we are the product of an inexperienced god, perhaps a teenag David Aug 18, 2014 6:33 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - Or just phoning it in. I mean when you set up a tank for turtles and a breeder tank for guppies to feed the turtles, you don't put as much effort into the breeder tank. From what I see in the bible, it looks like this world is just the Ray Aug 18, 2014 6:00 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Here's how to vote on THE QUESTION - He not only can bend the laws of Physics. He's supposed to have made them in the first place. So either he's a lousy engineer, an incompetent desig Raj Aug 18, 2014 4:49 PM

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