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Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - a better life through prayer - Dave, do you give a money back his guarantee or excuses when it does not work? Sooty I mean if it does not work. Sent from my iP Marlys Kummer D. Jul 30, 2014 8:10 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] A Moral Conundrum - Pretty much agree! Judy Judith S. Jul 30, 2014 6:21 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - How much would it cost to end suffering? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 30, 2014, at 14:00, David < James F. Jul 30, 2014 3:21 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Perhaps a cool breeze at the end of a hot day. 0.25 won't last long, but, we could try it. Has anyone, besides me, noticed tha David Jul 30, 2014 1:59 PM
Accounting of P&P money collected as of[masked] - Hey Everybody Here's an update of P&P money collected and how it's spent, after our last Lazy Readers Fred Jul 30, 2014 1:55 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Don & J. Jul 30, 2014 1:26 PM
[Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - a better life through prayer - I forgot to mention. For a fee, I will pray for you. My speciality is severe medical and psychological conditions. Things haven't ch David Jul 30, 2014 11:37 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] A Moral Conundrum - We can never be certain of anything other than our own existence. Solipsism much? Don't worry, I assume without proof that there is a reality outsi James F. Jul 30, 2014 11:29 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] A Moral Conundrum - A message to all the science geeks and epistemological freaks who think they know it all: James F. Jul 30, 2014 11:25 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - During early Christian days, if you wanted an education and you wanted to make money, you didn't become a scientist, you became a bishop: power, money, sex. David Jul 30, 2014 11:24 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] A Moral Conundrum - Dave wrote: "Bryan didn't know much about evolution, but, he did know about inj Keith M. Jul 30, 2014 10:52 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Looting and wealth was the motivation Willard ". Jul 30, 2014 9:55 AM
Priest Says Devil Won't Stop Texting Him - Priest Says Devil Won't Stop Texting Him - http://huff.to/1zrpozy The Devil just won't give up! DaveN David Jul 30, 2014 9:33 AM
In Push To Protect Big Coal, State Officials Say New EPA Regulations Violate God's Will - In Push To Protect Big Coal, State Officials Say New EPA Regulations Violate God's Will - http://huff.to/1zrI7uQ No, this isn't a joke. David Jul 30, 2014 9:17 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - The book isn't available for Kindle ir Nook. DaveN David Jul 29, 2014 4:06 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Agreed. I wouldn't mind Christianity, or Islam, if they weren't trying to force their beliefs on others. Separation of church and state is very imp David Jul 29, 2014 4:04 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Another good one! Maybe we should make a few ourselves. DaveN David Jul 29, 2014 3:57 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Amen!!! Btw, Anon is a neumenal "deity." Sent from my iPhone On Jul 29, 2014, at 11:37, David < James F. Jul 29, 2014 12:34 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Neuroscience, neurotheology, cognitive science, evolutionary science and philosophy David Jul 29, 2014 11:36 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - James F. Jul 29, 2014 11:06 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] A Moral Conundrum - Evolution was most of the justification for Eugenics. I suspect that emph David Jul 29, 2014 11:03 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Jesus was a legend. Watch this video: https://www.youtube.co James F. Jul 29, 2014 10:57 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - A good view. I love the ending! DaveN David Jul 29, 2014 10:51 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - I estimate there is a one in three chance that Jesus actually existed, and if he did, he David Jul 29, 2014 10:34 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] A Moral Conundrum - You said " James F. Jul 29, 2014 10:27 AM
A Moral Conundrum - http://03 David Jul 29, 2014 10:23 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Just want to say, the reason why I find the Tanakh so intriguing is because: 1. The Jewish people are fascinating. The James F. Jul 29, 2014 10:05 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Externalize the different sides of the same person, Look at Janus. I get it! David Jul 29, 2014 9:55 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - When I was in Catholic Primary School, Tanakh and the NT were simply the Bible and David Jul 29, 2014 9:46 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Because Christians think all they need is Jesus. Everything they read in their bibles somehow leads to Jesus for them. Non Christians know that Jes James F. Jul 29, 2014 9:46 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Why is it that non-Christians seem to know the Bible better than Christians? Is there a David Jul 29, 2014 9:43 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Watch this video on the evolution of Satan/demons. James F. Jul 29, 2014 9:37 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Maybe the reason that Yahweh was so angry in the OT was that he was sexually frustrated, David Jul 29, 2014 9:36 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - I think even the Hebrews were confused and unsure about monotheism. They often called YHWH "Elohim," which can be plural or sing James F. Jul 29, 2014 9:32 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Please don't say The Bible. That is what the Christians use to talk about the OT and NT. I prefer to use the Tanakh, which is the OT to Christians. James F. Jul 29, 2014 9:27 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - No, we aren't making it up- Yah/Enki/Yam/Ea/Ia had a long history within Semetic (Cananite, Sumerian and Babylonian) mythology long before Judaism. And he was generally, but not always the villain, like many tricksters- tricking hu Ray Jul 29, 2014 9:15 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - The 'real Christian' filter makes the argument circular for them. How can you tell if Ch David Jul 29, 2014 9:14 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Actually, demons are a Christian adoption.  Demons appear in all reli eric Jul 29, 2014 9:10 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Islam has fewer gods and demi-gods than Chritianity, but they still have a few. Lik David Jul 29, 2014 9:08 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Was the Bible divinely inspired? DaveN Still wondering after all the David Jul 29, 2014 8:50 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Btw, Yah = YHWH Enlil is a Sumerian polytheistic god of breath and spacetime (the Sumerians didn't call it spacetime lol, James F. Jul 28, 2014 11:17 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Yah is a Sumerian deity, also known as Enlil, God of the fresh or darksweet waters. He also goes by Yam when he is getting uppity and claiming to be king of the Gods, which is the name used in Exedous and given to Moses. Then Astarte goes a Ray Jul 28, 2014 11:03 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - I don't know where you heard this from. I'm guessing you are being silly. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2014, at 22:27, David James F. Jul 28, 2014 10:44 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Demons are a Christian invention. Satan as we know it was inspired by ha-Satan. in Hebrew, ha-Satan means "adversary." I believe that ha-Satan was James F. Jul 28, 2014 10:40 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Yah came before Yahweh. Yah had genitals and a wife as I heard. Was he castrated by the Jews to become Yaweh (YHWH)? Was Jesus male/female/androgynous? Weren David Jul 28, 2014 10:27 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Devils and angels are demi-gods aren't they? And isn't Mary a demi-god as well? And where do the saints and icons/relics fit in? I thought Ju David Jul 28, 2014 10:17 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Who is Yah? Do you mean YHWH? YHWH does not have a gender. "It" doesn't have genitals. But when Christianity came, it made it look li James F. Jul 28, 2014 9:41 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - The Early Christians hijacked YHWH and attempted to transform him into the christian trio gods. YHWH is NOT the Christian gods. James F. Jul 28, 2014 9:37 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - I heard that Yah had a wife as well. That would certainly change things around a bit. What were their parents like? It would seem back then, that gods had ge David Jul 28, 2014 9:04 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - To be fair, their deity did start out as Yah, The Sumerian/Babylonian trickster demon-god of the dark sweet waters. But I guess if you live in a desert a dishonest evil deity promising fresh water doesn't sound all that bad... Ray Jul 28, 2014 5:42 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - The only problem with Christianity is it's gods are evil as sh!t. Nothing tops ultimate evil like predestination and eternal suffering. This is why James F. Jul 28, 2014 11:31 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Love is innate in most people. Christianity shows us how to enhance it. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2014, at 9:05, Da James F. Jul 28, 2014 11:27 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - To become a better person is easy. Handle other peoples suffering with care by following this rule: "do not intentionally cause distress to someone James F. Jul 28, 2014 11:19 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - I think this is an incredibly complex questions, though some of the reductionist questions are clear that they do not. But for the core one in this set "Does believing in only one god make you a better per Ray Jul 28, 2014 10:11 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Know about the 100th Monkey? Judith S. Jul 28, 2014 9:38 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Is Christianity the only religion that teaches love? When you put it on the balance, is there more good or bad from religion? David Jul 28, 2014 9:05 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Earth Is In The Early Days Of A New Mass-Extinction Event, Researchers Warn - Do you think that you can never have too many people? Or do you think that the Earth has already exceeded its carrying capacity in many parts of the world? David Jul 28, 2014 8:40 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - These people who have become better people is because they realized that their reality is not the only reality. For the first time they experienced James F. Jul 28, 2014 8:38 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Earth Is In The Early Days Of A New Mass-Extinction Event, Researchers Warn - The new mass extinction may include us.  The Ebola virus appears set eric Jul 28, 2014 8:23 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - I have known people who have become better people when they became Christians, I have known people who became worse people when they became Christians. I have known a lot of Christians who would say the second set are not "real Ch Ray Jul 28, 2014 8:04 AM
RE: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - John M. Jul 27, 2014 6:18 PM
RE: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - John M. Jul 27, 2014 6:13 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - " The gene pool: what I’m saying is that how we live, where we live, James F. Jul 27, 2014 4:35 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - The gene pool: what I’m saying is that how we live, where we live, etc. affects our DNA. Our DNA affects how we behav Judith S. Jul 27, 2014 3:06 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - If you want to convert a Christian, don't talk about this kind of stuff (waste if time really). Tell them about the Christian Boogeyman (predestina James F. Jul 27, 2014 2:46 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - John,  It appears that James Hannam reasoner Jul 27, 2014 2:35 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - If we can learn to manage other peoples suffering in a prudential way, we can all be happy and moral people. But this is no easy task, and requires James F. Jul 27, 2014 2:30 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - That element I talk about is suffering. Suffering is intrinsic evil, because it hurts and it has negative value to it. The reason why discriminatio James F. Jul 27, 2014 2:26 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Not playing games here. If you don’t want to defend your statements, then fine. Lee Lee G. Jul 27, 2014 1:34 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Ah my friend, a good teacher points to the problem, but has the student solve it. An old Chinese proverb. 😎 When you have given up, let me know. James F. Jul 27, 2014 1:11 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - If you are a teacher, then teach. Defend your statements. Lee Lee G. Jul 27, 2014 1:01 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - There is an element in your reasoning that is so basic that most people miss it. To find this element that I am speaking of, you must use reduction James F. Jul 27, 2014 12:55 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - " Of course a lot of how we live over many centuries gets into the gene James F. Jul 27, 2014 12:50 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Eugene, I will take a wild gue reasoner Jul 27, 2014 12:15 PM
Earth Is In The Early Days Of A New Mass-Extinction Event, Researchers Warn - Earth Is In The Early Days Of A New Mass-Extinction Event, Researchers Warn - http://huff.to/1zcZWO2 6th mass extinction. DaveN David Jul 27, 2014 11:58 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - James wrote, “ Atheists get their justification from "hey, if Lee G. Jul 27, 2014 11:34 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Mr. Fichter ---- I really like your thinking i.e., relativist approach and going to something deep inside. Of course a Judith S. Jul 27, 2014 11:20 AM
Mosquito magnet - David Jul 27, 2014 11:05 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Dave, where did the Christians get their justification to persecute, pogrom, and torture/kill infidels? The bible. My moral compass tells me these James F. Jul 27, 2014 10:52 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Maybe the officially Christian nations were slightly better at killing, than the officia David Jul 27, 2014 10:42 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - To become a peacenik one must become one from within, whether atheist or theist. Difference between the two is theists have justification from the James F. Jul 27, 2014 10:34 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - David, Eugene C. Jul 27, 2014 10:12 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Are you saying that Christian nations and atheist nations behave the same? My own thought is that behavior comes first, rationalizin David Jul 27, 2014 9:48 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - James, Eugene C. Jul 27, 2014 9:12 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - A single edged sword (theistic religions) has many functions, but attaining peace is not one of them. Sent from my iPhone On J James F. Jul 27, 2014 8:16 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - dk, At Reasonfest I debated Dan Barker on whether the world is better with Eugene C. Jul 27, 2014 7:36 AM
Does religion make people better -- was DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY - Keith, I don't necessarily assign a lot of moral weigh reasoner Jul 27, 2014 5:23 AM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - No, Eugene. dk On reasoner Jul 27, 2014 5:08 AM
RE: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Marlys Kummer D. Jul 26, 2014 10:09 PM
RE: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - John M. Jul 26, 2014 8:15 PM
RE: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Marlys Kummer D. Jul 26, 2014 4:40 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - DK, Eugene C. Jul 26, 2014 4:01 PM
RE: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Marlys Kummer D. Jul 26, 2014 2:57 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Does religion make people better - Dave, In a book called Deadly Doctrine, a harsh critiq reasoner Jul 26, 2014 1:51 PM
TONIGHT, FRIDAY: DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY, AND LAZY READERS - TONIGHT, July 25,  Fred Jul 25, 2014 4:18 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] - Fred replies to Christopher - FRIDAY: DISCUSSION ON RELIGIOUS IRRATIONALITY, AND LAZY READERS - Christopher (Christ bearer), I concur that an intellectual debate can certainly and often does hone one's understanding of Dan Jul 25, 2014 4:07 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Stirring the hornets nest - Fred, I just thought that I would repeat your statement below: ' David Jul 25, 2014 2:24 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] replies - Questions that are unanswerable -- What happens when a religion gains secular control - Fred, Well stated! I use the same rule on my web site. I won't name David Jul 25, 2014 2:17 PM
Re: [Provocateurs] Questions that are unanswerable -- What happens when a religion gains secular control - To clarify, David:   Stirring the hornets nest is fine.   Ad hominem attacks get you booted off the list, whether anyone gets angry or not. Fred Jul 25, 2014 1:48 PM
Syncretism - Syncretism David Jul 25, 2014 1:45 PM

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