Race Ethnicity, Diversity and Prejudice

  • May 8, 2013 · 7:00 PM
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Race Ethnicity, Diversity and Prejudice

Let’s have a real discussion about race, racism and diversity in our society and in particular the Gay community. Some questions we would like to explore:


• Is there racism in the gay community? Is race still a factor in how we interact with and treat each other? Does race still matter?
• What are your personal experiences in regards to race: in the gay community? In the larger community? Have you experienced discrimination personally or witnessed it being perpetuated? How did you respond? What is the best response?
• Do we still perceive people from other races and backgrounds differently? Are stereotypes still alive and well or are they dying out? Is it always bad to have different perceptions of people based on their race?
• From your own perspective, do you believe there is white privilege? How does this exist or manifest itself? Have you personally experienced this?
• Is white privilege misnamed?
• Are we making progress in regards to race matters? Does the rise in the number of interracial relationships indicate progress?
• In dating and relationships, is it ok to have a racial preference? Is it racism or just a preference?
• Do you consider your race on a day to day basis?
• Does the experience of racism differ depending on whether one is Asian, Black, Latin/Hispanic, Middle Eastern or other?
• Is there some systemic discrimination that causes or is part of the cause of so many Latinos and black men (often young black men) in prison? Do you believe there is a racial problem in the criminal justice system?
• Does the fact of (A) slavery less than 150 years ago and (B) Jim Crow laws (a caste system, “separate but equal”) and legal segregation until 1965 -- create a different degree of discrimination for the black community?
• How can we better address the issue of racism? How can we respond at a personal level in a social situation? Can we address race without offending?
• How do we build bridges in everyday situations and occurrences?
• Why is it so difficult to talk about race and racism? Why is there a lack of dialogue about race in gay America? How can this be changed? What if any is the significance of an African American President supporting gay rights? A Chinese American Mayor doing the same?

We hope you will join us in discussing these important issues.

Please note- the date of this salon has been changed.  The date of this salon is now May 8, 2013.

 

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  • grahame p.

    Some people asked about books, one series of books that affected me is Parting the Waters which was the first of a series of books on the civil right movement. I don't know if it doesn't refer to the current state of racism in the U.S. but it does talk about what some of the history was in a crucial time in our history. And I think that history must matter if you are to understanding. Also there is a film by marlon riggs, tongues untied, made in the late 80's which talked about issues as it related to Black gay men. It was made by a local Bay Area African American Gay man. Also the book Brothers to Brothers and anthology the same time. Both of these are available from the SF Library. There may be more recent books that others can recommend. I plan on attending the upcoming meeting which will continue our discussion. It was my second meeting in your group and I enjoyed it and appreciated the level of discussion.

    1 · May 9, 2013

    • Patrick

      Graham, thanks for the list and it was great to see you last night and look forward to seeing you next month!

      May 9, 2013

    • grahame p.

      thanks Patrick. and good meeting you as well.

      May 10, 2013

  • Jeff M.

    Here's an interactive map of racist and homophobic tweets in America published today. http://io9.com/an-interactive-map-of-racist-homophobic-and-ableist-tw-499908637

    May 10, 2013

  • Jeff M.

    Thank you for tonights discussion. It's not everyday you can talk at an open forum with gay men about gay racism in the community. With that said, here are is the book I mentioned before we all left.

    http://www.amazon.com/White-Essays-Culture-Richard-Dyer/dp/0415095379

    "White" by Richard Dyer. it's an academic analysis of what White means in a ever diverse world. It's a fascinating analysis of Humanity, Whiteness, Other, White Privilege/Guilt, and other things related to Race. I would like if most of you get a hand on it (it's not an ebook yet) before next month's Part II of "Race Ethnicity, Diversity and Prejudice." It may give you topics to talk about and feel more confident in sharing your experiences.

    2 · May 8, 2013

    • Richard S.

      Sounds really interesting- I will check it out!

      May 9, 2013

  • Brian

    some where asking me about the street fair i was talking about happening this saturday. Its the: Fair Oaks Street's 37th Annual Street Fair features five Victorian-lined blocks of garage sales! Antiques, books, furniture, clothing, kitchenware, kids stuff & really good eats for sale, to benefit Jamestown Community Center's youth programs, & Fair Oaks Community Coalition's Alley Project. On Fair Oaks Street (parallel between Dolores & Guerrero) from 21st-26th Street in Noe Valley/Mission neighborhood. Take BART, J-Church, 48-Quintara or 14-Mission bus. Come early for the good stuff! 9am till 5pm, and its FREE I'm going to check it out because I like antiques, books, and furniture. If you see me say hello ;-)

    1 · May 9, 2013

  • Brian

    Thank you to everyone that attended the discussion last night. It was wonderful and I look forward to the follow up discussion. Also a special thank you to our team's mediator Richard for keeping the group on track and not allowing it to become a group therapy session.

    1 · May 9, 2013

  • grahame p.

    It was a good meaning on a subject that needs to be discussed within our community. A lot of things were expressed but I think that people listened to each other and were respectful even when there were disagreements and even though people were at different places where they were coming from. I've thought about a lot about these issues over the years but from the discussions, the problems and things encountered are similar to what was commonly happening 20-30 years ago but there are new generations here experiencing them. One thought I had is that each of us could answer some or all of the questions that were posed in the handout that was given out in the meeting. Or otherwise think about the question of how racism affect us.

    1 · May 9, 2013

  • Melvin L.

    It was a great experience!

    2 · May 9, 2013

  • jesse f.

    warm, open, and caring and DIVERSE! Muchas Gracias a Todos! Kudos to the organizers!

    3 · May 9, 2013

  • Tat

    Great discussions. It was great to hear that issue like this are verbalized and brought out in the open. Often times it is hush hush.

    1 · May 8, 2013

  • Lorenzo

    Excellent discussion and sharing. Kudos for stepping up to this topic. The only way we can grow and heal collectively is to share in an honest and safe environment. If only San Francisco's gay "community" looked like the group that was in the room tonight! Looking forward to the next level of discussion.

    1 · May 8, 2013

  • Jeff M.

    Worth every second. It's not everyday gay men openly discuss race in a protective environment.

    2 · May 8, 2013

  • John R. E.

    Great conversations.

    May 8, 2013

  • Joel

    Excellent topic and terrific discussion

    May 8, 2013

  • Pablo R.

    I was in the lobby of the center before 7;00 and decided not to stay. I finally have to admit that groups terrorize me. I decided one group per month is more then enough. Last night I forced myself to attend one for suicide survivors of the Golden Gate. My former partner died on Feb 1. That support group experience probably wiped me out to some degree. Just a thought or two on racism.. after Sept 11th I noticed how some white folks would look at me. I am dark skinned Latino that passes for Middle Eastern. I did not say anything to these folks but I could read their minds. Yes, I've also encountered gay men that have used the N word with so much hate. Finally, I remember my mother sharing with me the first time she saw an African Mexican man in Guadalajara, Mexico at the tender age of 17. She was so scared ... that might have been 1941. She was very sheltered.

    May 8, 2013

  • John D.

    Blah, work, as always.

    May 8, 2013

  • Devon R.

    Sorry guys I'm going to miss you! Been under the weather and just can't make it tonight. : (

    May 8, 2013

  • Michael K.

    Although trained as a medical doctor, I have become a writer over the past few years. My series of books address shame, abuse and social oppression, and the major theme of the first book deals primarily with racism as depicted in my memoirs.

    May 7, 2013

  • Nikos D.

    I found some interesting material on YouTube that I think is relevant to the topic. I suggest doing a search for WorldTrustTV to see segments of the new video Cracking The Codes.

    May 5, 2013

  • jesse f.

    I do not believe there is any one person that did not grow up with some biases, prejudices, and stereotypes in this society. Consciously or Unconsciously, our behaviors toward others who are different in one or more ways, are most definitely affected. No one is 100% free of several or many of these, so, it is important to give one another space to learn and grow toward letting these go! It is difficult for me often to see myself as clearly as I would like to --- I learn best through honest and caring feedback. Give me the benefit of the doubt if it's a first time & give me a chance to apologize and/or correct myself. I do not mean to hurt your feelings through ignorance or carelessness or ugly humor, and I expect the same respect and fairness from you. And please dear ones, there is room for humor in the most serious of topics, so let this very meaningful dialogue begin! Con Amor, Jesse

    2 · May 2, 2013

  • Lorenzo

    I hope this discussion covers not just what's out there in the broad gay community, but also that we can be honest and real about our own experiences of racial difference in our lives, that this will be a safe space as an opportunity for appreciation, growth and even celebration. Happy that so many guys have signed up to come.

    3 · May 1, 2013

  • Brian

    Being new to the Bay Area it has been a little difficult meeting people. I'm looking to start a circle of friends.

    April 20, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Lets do this!!!

    April 18, 2013

  • Duncan M.

    Argh. I'm so sorry I can't make it after all. This one looks especially interesting.

    April 5, 2013

  • Jeff M.

    I really wish I was coming! It's not often you get to openly talk about racism in the gay community. I feel it all the time with having an ambiguously "exotic" face. I loathe the term "rice" and "panda."

    2 · April 5, 2013

  • Pablo R.

    Looking forward to expanding my horizons.

    April 4, 2013

    • Patrick

      Pablo, great comment. For me, the main point of the conversation about race is to learn and talk talk about a topic (race) that is rarely discussed in a serious, thoughtful way. I have no doubt that racism exists on many levels and manifest in may ways and we need to discuss the issue as a community to gain understanding and break down the barrier that is racism.

      April 5, 2013

  • jeff

    There is absolutely racism in the gay community. Having moved to the bay area 8 years ago from the South, I have experienced more racism here from gays than I ever did in the deep South. The only difference was the "cloaking" of terms used to discriminate its vile characteristics.

    2 · April 4, 2013

    • Patrick

      Jeff, thank you for your comments, it is important to hear your voice and that you share your views, experience and observations. I wished you could make it to the May Salon.

      1 · April 5, 2013

  • Jonathan B.

    Does this conversation also include other prejudices in the Gay community including ageism? Perhaps it should...

    2 · April 4, 2013

    • Patrick

      Jonathan, that is an excellent question. The Salon on Race will not cover agism though we understand that is a very real issue. We have discussed agism in the past and will again in the future. Because of the scope of race and racism we thought it best just to deal with the issue of race in the May 8 Salon.

      April 5, 2013

  • jeff

    no chocolate' on their profile are not stating a preference,” a reader commented on an online discussion forum for a popular gay magazine. “You’re using the disguise of a semi-socially acceptable way to say you’re a racist and looking to hook up with other racists.”

    1 · April 4, 2013

  • jeff

    Case and point look at the sheer number of traditionally discriminated minorities(Blacks) the frequent Castro now compared to just 10years ago. Let me guess nobody noticed because the reality is nobody (meaning everybody other than Black folks) really cared.

    2 · April 4, 2013

  • don w.

    AS A LONGTIME WHITE MALE, I THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA

    2 · April 4, 2013

  • Jeff M.

    Gah, the day when I'm leaving down for the week. Otherwise, I would be there. (thesis is on race).

    1 · April 4, 2013

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