This will be my final reply. I apologize to those who are getting flooded by replies in their email. I feel that I have been attacked personally, so I am responding. First off I am a female, a citizen of the United States. I have just as much right to my opinion as anyone else in this group.
Read them. Watch the video clips. Yes illegals can get bank accounts and credit cards in this country without papers, Mark.
My reservations of moving to San Diego is this Amnesty bill. What will happen the day it passes and goes into effect? =( This bill will allow chain immigration, which I fear will be the end of America. I have read a lot of the bill and it is frightening. It will also allow foreigners as police in our country, but Mark the mainstream media doesn't like to tell you that one. I feel bad for the immigrants being fooled to come here. They will be used in our militaries (which they already have recruitment stations in Mexico) and they surely don't care about them as people. They just use them as a tool to further push their world government and North American Union.
Thank you all for your time.
> They didn't invade our state, Dane, they were here first. And if
> anyone was violent, it was the U.S. in citing manifest destiny to
> justify invading, occupying, and annexing their land.
> The white supremacy movement is very real, has hundreds of
> websites, lots of literature, and many adherents, not just WAR and
> the Christian Identity movement, but in many other spin-offs.
> You may not be aware that the 2000 Presidential election was stolen
> by means of suppressing the black vote all over the country, but I
> suggest you read Greg Palast's book, "Armed Madhouse" for the
> details and statistics. This wasn't done by the Ku Klux Klan nor
> did Jews invent and control the Klan or the Republican party.
> Yes, Silverstein and Wolfowitz are Jewish, but George Bush and Dick
> Cheney are not. They are not ruled by Israel, as you may believe,
> but by their common interest in capitalist profit and in funnelling
> money and power to the wealthy elite who, themselves are a mix of
> every ethnicity, nationality, and religious belief there is. The
> only thing they have in common is their desire to destroy the
> planet and wage wars for profit. They don't care who wins, who
> dies, or which countries benefit. The arms trade sells equally to
> both or all sides in any war--whoever has the money can buy the
> weapons. No matter where our jobs go, the corporate elite profits.
> If you think that some White House bigshot or Congress Member with
> millions or billions of dollars in war profits sitting in their
> offshore bank account is being dictated to by AIPAC, you have very
> little familiarity with economics. They are strictly profit-driven
> and they are not driven by any ideology they may claim.
> Take a hint from the Russians. They have a bona fide history of
> anti-Semitism, but their word for gangster isn't Jew, it is
> On 5/30/07, Dane Bacon wrote:> I
> agree with Dana and share her concern for the aggressive and
> violent la
>> raza Mexicans invading OUR state with the help of corporations
>> and government leaders. Calling people ignorant and racist is a
>> cop-out. It's the same exact trick the Jews use repeatedly by
>> calling people "anti-semetic" whenever their system of control
>> and propaganda gets shaken by the truth.
>> The whole "white supremacy movement" is propaganda put out by the
>> elite. There are no REAL white supremacists aside from some back
>> country bumpkins and people in prison who have to defend
>> themselves from other violent criminals.
>>> From: "Mark E. Smith"
>>> Reply-To: [address removed]
>>> To: [address removed]
>>> Subject: Re: [9-11-279] New Event: Double Feature: The
>>> Immigration Invasion & Trespassing Allow Date: Wed, 30 May 2007
>>> 15:29:38 -0400 (EDT)
>>> So you think that immigration has something to do with 9/11
>>> truth, Dana? You
>>> know that immigrants didn't do it, but you think that by
>>> understanding why the government is outsourcing your jobs and
>>> letting in immigrants, you'll find some key to 9/11 truth?
>>> Immigrants who work in the fields, slaughterhouses, meat
>>> packing plants, or as dishwashers, don't get health care, bank
>>> accounts, housing, and jobs. If they didn't they wouldn't come
>>> here because U.S. citizens would have taken all those jobs.
>>> Google "ICE raids" if you don't think immigrants are being
>>> deported. I can't
>>> believe that somebody is pretending not to know about this.
>>> As for our invading and annexing Mexico, you can't rewrite
>>> history. We did and that's a fact.
>>> And when this was Mexico, settlers got a better deal here than
>>> they did in the rest of the U.S.
>>> I don't know how you fell for Minutemen/Rush Limbaugh
>>> propaganda, but your ignorance isn't my problem. When somebody
>>> tries to insert that crap into a 9/11 truth group that I happen
>>> to belong to, then it becomes my problem.
>>> Sure, not all immigrants have the house with picket fence
>>> American dream. They're sleeping in the fields because they
>>> can't afford rent on what they're paid, IF they're paid (often
>>> they're just threatened with deportation and not paid at all),
>>> and you want them to look clean and shiny?
>>> How would you look after a few days working in the fields or a
>>> slaughterhouse without proper housing so you could clean up?
>>> Paul, let me explain to you why our government appears to be
>>> pushing immigrantion. You do know why they outsource jobs,
>>> right? For business, the bottom line is the bottom line, so
>>> lower wages mean more profits. Watch the documentary "The
>>> Corporation" if you don't understand this. Now try to
>>> understand that if lower wages are better for business, no
>>> wages at all, or slave labor, is best. That's why Henry Ford
>>> and Prescott Bush supported Hitler. That's why many Americans
>>> supported slavery. That's why Bush had Bechtel and Halliburton
>>> build detention camps all over the U.S., and that's why they
>>> are running these Gestapo raids on places where there is a lot
>>> of undocumented labor. But don't think for a minute that once
>>> they put the immigrants in camps or deport them, you can get
>>> those minimum wage backbreaking jobs in the fields or in
>>> slaughterhouses. You'd want minimum wage whereas they can use
>>> prison labor, particularly from our privatized prisons for less
>>> than they'd have to pay somebody in China or India.
>>> And when it comes your turn to be rounded up for slave labor,
>>> don't say I didn't try to warn you. Google Pastor Niehmoller--
>>> people as ignorant and racist as you existed in Nazi Germany
>>> If the White Supremacy movement succeeds in hijacking the 9/11
>>> truth movement, you'll find out too late that you weren't
>>> fighting fascism, you were promoting it.
>>> On 5/30/07, Dana wrote:To Mark
>>> and others,
>>> I am not currently living in San Diego, but have been
>>> considering it as a mini vacation. However I feel Mark you are
>>> not seeing the whole picture. The global government is what is
>>> enabling these illegals to come here in the first place. I
>>> have not met any of you in this group, but I think this group
>>> is aware of that. Companies give them health care, bank
>>> accounts, housing, and jobs without ever showing any form of
>>> ID. Now if you are a legal citizen of this country try doing
>>> that. You will be denied on the spot and probably laughed at.
>>> You have very good points, but you aren't making the
>>> connection. The federal
>>> government already has the laws in place to deport Illegals,
>>> but that is not
>>> being done because of a global government plan and the North
>>> American Union.
>>> I agree that a fence, at this time, would only be to keep us
>>> in. The way you get the illegals out of here is cut off their
>>> source of goods and money,
>>> which would be fining any company that hires them without
>>> checking papers. This includes the middle class American that
>>> owns a landscaping business. That in itself would scare
>>> companies and then illegals would go packing. I know there are
>>> some great Hispanics trying to make a living here and those
>>> people I am not as concerned with (however they should go
>>> through the same bureaucracy we do as citizens). The type I am
>>> concerned with are those that
>>> wrap themselves in the Mexican flag saying that California,
>>> Texas, and Arizona are now Mexico (la raza). They are the ones
>>> that want to kill us and turn the southern part of the US into
>>> another Mexico. Mark have you ever heard of "The Plan of San
>>> The problem is the mainstream media only shows the good working
>>> with 2 kids, well-dressed, in a nice little house. What they
>>> don't want to show you is what it is really like. If they are
>>> so proud of Mexico then why are they coming here in the first
>>> place? Our government should put pressure on Mexico to get
>>> their country in order. We cannot support 20+ million
>>> illegals, but I think nationally the numbers are more along the
>>> lines of 30 million.
>>> I am glad that some others felt the need to reply because I
>>> thought I was alone. =D
>>> On 5/30/07, Paul Cofrancesco wrote:
>>>> Those were good points. I think issues like immigration get
>>>> confusing because there so many aspects to them. Many of the
>>>> concerns for and against
>>>> immigration are valid, but the real question in mind is why
>>>> is our government pushing it so much. I think the
>>>> immigration debate is packed with propanganda both pro and
>>>> con and the part that is most easily lost is why is our
>>>> governent pusing it - especially in light of 911 and the
>>>> alledged war on terror.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> *From:* [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] *On
>>>> Behalf Of * Dana *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30,[masked]:40 AM *To:*
>>>> [address removed]
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [9-11-279] New Event: Double Feature: The
>>>> Immigration Invasion & Trespassing Allow
>>>> To Mark and others,
>>>> I am glad that some others felt the need to reply because I
>>>> thought I was alone. =D
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