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Re: [Seattle-Anarcho-Capitalism] Re: [Seattle Voluntarists] Fwd: A message from Sarina Forbes, a member of The Seattle Austrian Economics Meetup Group

From: Brent H.
Sent on: Friday, September 23, 2011 10:19 AM
Its easier to follow (such is the social human animal) than to work
one's own way through fundamental relationships of reality through a
strictly consistent axiom of property rights of scarce goods.

Now when one says "already sold on property rights", I'm wondering
what their definition of property is? Some support initiation of
aggression over fraudulent claims on ideas as property. I suppose the
word "rights" is also one of those loaded words where a discussion
regarding it with a varying definition between the parties can result
in no effective communication.

I too would be very interested in some kind of debate.

-brent

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Cliff <[address removed]> wrote:
>> I was at the C4L meeting in question, and I talked with the organizer
>> afterward to explain that yes, we're serious people and would like to
>> have a debate.
>
> The economic and philosophical foundation of C4L, unless I am wrong, are in
> the roots of what we fundamentally believe. We just take those roots to
> their logical conclusion and do not deviate. In other words we maintain the
> integrity of our arguments. Its sad they take us as a joke. Its a reflection
> of how little of their own political philosophy they understand. Sadly its
> clear that C4L has just become another blind ideology. Not necessarily aware
> of what its fundamental principles are about.
> -Cliff
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Cliff Rosson <[address removed]>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> C4L is already sold on property rights and might have been confusing.
>>
>> Except for when they are not. It would be interesting to show them how
>> they are not consistent in their beliefs and in fact do not believe in
>> property rights when taken to their logical end.
>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:15 AM, David Robins <[address removed]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I was at the C4L meeting in question, and I talked with the organizer
>>> afterward to explain that yes, we're serious people and would like to
>>> have a debate. Also, the description read was a little strange:
>>> "propertarian anarchists" - accurate, sure, but the C4L is already sold
>>> on property rights and might have been confusing.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 03:10:41AM -0400, Matt wrote:
>>> >    Not sure if anyone saw it, but this very topic got mentioned in The
>>> >    Stranger's anti-Ron Paul hit piece this week:
>>> >
>>> >      and then someone announces that a local anarchist group wanted to
>>> > engage
>>> >      the C4L in a debate, which elicits derisive laughter from the
>>> > assembly.
>>> >      "We don't have time for this," someone sneers.
>>> >
>>> >    No matter how you feel about Ron Paul, it's a crap article written
>>> > by a
>>> >    very left-wing person who is deeply embarrassed that Ron Paul is to
>>> > the
>>> >    non-violent, non-interventionist left of his Nobel
>>> >    laureate/warmonger-­in-chief.
>>> >
>>> >    On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:13 AM, Aden <[address removed]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >      I am in agreement with Paul. I wouldn't mind
>>> > listening/participat­ing in
>>> >      such a discussion, but I don't think the C4L group would be open
>>> > to the
>>> >      voluntayist/ancap perspective.
>>> >
>>> >      On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Paul Edwards <[address removed]>
>>> >      wrote:
>>> >
>>> >        I would be up for such a discussion. Either to discuss or to
>>> > listen.
>>> >        But i don't think C4L would be, for some reason.
>>> >
>>> >        On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 8:47 PM, Cliff Rosson
>>> > <[address removed]>
>>> >        wrote:
>>> >
>>> >          C4L has been holding these debates. I wonder if they would be
>>> > up for
>>> >          an anarchist vs minarchist debate? What do you guys think?
>>> >
>>> >          ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> >          From: Sarina Forbes <[address removed]>
>>> >          Date: Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 7:33 PM
>>> >          Subject: A message from Sarina Forbes, a member of The Seattle
>>> >          Austrian Economics Meetup Group
>>> >          To: [address removed]
>>> >
>>> >          The following message was sent to you by a member of The
>>> >          Seattle Austrian Economics Meetup Group.
>>> >
>>> >          * It was sent to you by: Sarina Forbes (User ID: user[masked])
>>> >
>>> >          * Sarina Forbes requested a response. To respond simply reply
>>> >          to this email. (Note that when you reply, Sarina Forbes will
>>> >          have your email address.)
>>> >
>>> >          What Sarina Forbes wrote:
>>> >
>>> >  -------------------­--------------------­--------------------­-----
>>> >          Hi,
>>> >
>>> >          About a month ago I think I requested you share some
>>> >          information with your various political action groups.  On
>>> >          August 8th Seattle Campaign for Liberty did indeed host Gery
>>> >          Warner, Professional Engineer, CEO of Tentnology, and
>>> > volunteer
>>> >          presenter for AE911 Truth, who gave a presentation on *
>>> >          explosive* evidence surrounding the events at the World Trade
>>> >          Center on 9/11.  There was quite a bit of healthy debate
>>> > during
>>> >          and afterwards.
>>> >
>>> >          To promote balance and another point of view we offer another
>>> >          look promised to be a riveting talk using many of the same
>>> >          materials used by so-called Truthers, said to break down the
>>> >          numerous logical fallacies, cherry-picked data, and falsehoods
>>> >          used to promulgate "9/11 is an Inside Job" propaganda and
>>> >          exposing the "bad" science used to keep this myth afloat. We
>>> >          will limit the questions to after the talk is completed.
>>> >
>>> >          September 11 will be the 10th anniversary of a life changing
>>> >          event.  We will kick off the meeting by asking "Where were you
>>> >          on 9/11 and what has been the greatest impact on your
>>> > liberty?"
>>> >
>>> >          I was in Manhattan going to school and as I am a nurse I
>>> > worked
>>> >          in the ER of a hospital that day.
>>> >
>>> >          Please share or post this information on your meetup site or
>>> >          within your circle about what will surely be a boisterous
>>> >          invigorating presentation scheduled for next Monday night
>>> >          September 12th by the Seattle Campaign for Liberty at
>>> > Piecora's
>>> >          on Madison in Capitol Hill.  See
>>> >          http://www.meetup...­
>>> >
>>> >          SPECIAL GUEST: Paul Case leader of the Seattle Skeptics, who
>>> >          will speak on The Case Against Controlled Demolitions- Why
>>> > 9/11
>>> >          "Truth" doesn't hold up.  Paul was President of Seattle
>>> >          Atheists from[masked], during his tenure they won the
>>> >          American Atheist afflicate of the Year award and did things
>>> >          such as a bus ad campaign that got a fair amount of local
>>> >          press.  He has been featured in Seattle Monthly magazine, and
>>> >          interviewed by several media outlets. He is a monthly host on
>>> >          the weekly radio show Ask an Atheist, where he covers science,
>>> >          and topics of interest to skeptics.
>>> >
>>> >          Our mission at Seattle Campaign for Liberty is to promote and
>>> >          defend the great American principles of individual liberty,
>>> >          constitutional government, sound money, free markets, and a
>>> > non-
>>> >          interventionist foreign policy, by means of educational and
>>> >          political activity.
>>> >
>>> >          At the C4L meetup we make every effort to post and/or share
>>> >          information about opportunities and events in the
>>> >          patriot/freedom/pol­itical activism movement.  Please promote
>>> >          this event as well.
>>> >
>>> >          Thank you,
>>> >
>>> >          Sarina Forbes
>>> >          Co-organizer Seattle C4L and King County Ron Paul 2012
>>> >          (also PCO SEA-3345)
>>> >
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