Mark wants to continue our discussion of the value of religion in the group.

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  • Sean

    What is the date for this? I would love to take part.

    March 31

  • Ryan A.

    Feel free to join a weds group we have, 7-9pm and u can email me @ [masked]. This week we're looking at human nature.

    July 21

  • George R.

    Whether Religion is good or bad or has value is a philosophical mobius strip. It has an 'all of the above' answer.
    When we say religion do we include only the 5 largest modern theisms

    February 25, 2014

  • rosettia w.

    How do i become a member of Socrates cafe?

    1 · August 14, 2012

    • plinney

      Just come to our discussion group on Monday evenings...nothing more is needed

      1 · August 17, 2013

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    A former member

    Sounds interesting.

    August 17, 2013

  • Sandy

    Looking forward to intelligent discussions

    July 26, 2013

  • Fran F.

    Hello Group! I really enjoyed my first Socrates meeting last Monday, and hope my schedule allows my regular attendance. -Fran

    December 11, 2011

  • Ed B.

    Where is "here"?

    September 19, 2011

  • Ed B.

    " It's just not new."
    Very little in philosophical discussion is. That's why we drag in the opinion of ancient Greeks. Again, it was Mark's wish to continue this discussion in the group. I leave it to him to define it as he wishes. I'll go along with whatever is desired.

    August 28, 2011

  • Camille A.

    It came up somewhere else. I wasn't saying you think they're mean. But every time we've ever had religion enter the room, there's the inevitable argument that it has no intrinsic value, and is inherently damaging. It's just not new.

    August 28, 2011

  • Ed B.

    Interesting. When did I ever take the position that religious people are mean? I don't think that. My understanding was that Mark wished to continue the discussion we were having in the forum. That wasn't a Kumbaya "we all think religion has value" discussion. Nor was all about the evils committed by religious people. It was more about how religious ideas influence our world. But perhaps we should ask Mark what he feels.

    August 28, 2011

  • Camille A.

    You can if you want. The debate that ensues is a yawner. Yes, religion is bad. Yes, religious people are mean. Yes, torture, stakes, hanging, oppression of women, slavery, yes yes yes. We all know that stuff. We haven't looked at the other side, which is why Mark brought it up as a possible topic.

    August 28, 2011

  • Ed B.

    Camille, that's cool. Apparently, however, one or two folks aren't quite so comfortable with the t-shirt and asked to discuss it. However, I have no objection to a discussion proposing the benefits of religion. Of course, I reserve the right to question the strength of such propositions.

    August 28, 2011

  • Camille A.

    Derailing what I understood (off board) the topic to be. Which is why I said "how we have benefited." It wouldn't include a debate about the social malady. There are some who don't see it that way, & would enjoy an opportunity to discuss religion without that digression. Having devout atheists in the group, and being a member of the A&F group, AND working the fair booth, I'm one of the people for whom there's no real value in investigating the negative impacts. Been there, got the t-shirt.

    August 28, 2011

  • Ed B.

    May I suggest a related, perhaps more topical aspect of the question. With an election looming in our not too distant future in which at least two leading candidates have demonstrated their fundamentalist bent might we ask:
    1. How important to the qualities of a presidential candidate is their view of religion? Religious belief?
    2. Is there an appropriate role for religiously based thought in political policy or choice? For me, creationism is a litmus test; is that wrong?

    August 28, 2011

  • Ed B.

    Hi Betty, that's an interesting topic on its own. I'm not familiar with this view, but as described it sounds largely historical and sociological. Does he argue that, as a product of natural selection religious thinking is so ingrained by biology that resisting it is futile? But even so, the topic we started here in particular was to the value of religion, presumably in the world we live in. How do you see this informing that discussion?

    August 28, 2011

  • Ed B.

    Camille, that is, indeed, a narrow view. We can only discuss the positive? Are we discussing current state or historical? For example I can see how religion benefited primitive society but think most forms of religion are palpably harmful to mankind now.

    While I always value your participation in any discussion, I think there are important issues to discuss that aren't confined to a festival of praise for a dangerous social malady. I hope we'll be forgiven for taking a different tack.

    August 28, 2011

  • Camille A.

    Ground rules: We're not debating the value of religion in the broader sense, but only in the narrow "how have we benefited from it?" I recognize there are those among us who see no value in religion, and would argue there is no benefit. That's been done to death, and doesn't interest me. It's ok if you want to talk about it, but I would be bored, therefore would not attend such a discussion.

    August 28, 2011

  • Ed B.

    Sadia, I can't get the link to work.. could you provide the title or some other way to access this? Is it, by any chance Karen Armstrong? Camille, I suppose these sorts of discussions can seem tedious and endless. And yes, I think it would benefit from some clearer definition. For example, I think it would be helpful to establish what usage of the word "religion" we're discussing. But I'm not clear what you mean by "ground rules".

    August 28, 2011

  • Camille A.

    As I understand it this is forming into a question along the lines of "how has the world/society benefited from the existence of religion(s)?" So, if that's the case, I would not be interested in the same old debate about the value of religion and the arguments about how awful it is and that it has nothing to offer but persecution and oppression. If this thing gets off the ground, can I ask if there will be some ground rules in that vein? If not, then I would know that it's not for me.

    August 28, 2011

  • Sadia N.

    A must watch interview by an exceptional lady:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch v=nDfbIDCH3aQ&feature=youtu.be
    Her ongoing work towards a better (and more pragmatic) understanding of religion is extremely admirable and her books are just excellent.

    August 8, 2011

  • Jeff

    I've njever been to a Hindu Temple but I'm very interested (plus we might find a few billion dollars' worth of gold and jewels!).

    July 18, 2011

  • Sadia N.

    i have an idea for the location. A little while back i visited the louisville's hindu temple with a friend of mine who is hindu. It is quite splendid. If you guys are interested then i can ask my friend to arrange something for us. The religious preacher at the temple at that time was an extremely inviting guy and answered a lot of question that i had at that time. It might not be bad for us to request him to give us a tour. So let me know if and when you want to do this.

    July 16, 2011

  • Mark B.

    I believe we discussed this as being a Socrates Cafe topic but some wanted it to be on location somewhere else, like in a church or something. Next Socrates Cafe maybe we'll train to nail down a date and time for it.

    July 6, 2011

  • Ed B.

    I will not be able to join in until my return from my business trip. I will be away Monday July 11-12. I would be able to participate July 18. Can we do it then?

    July 6, 2011

  • July 6, 2011

  • Joshua Alejandro C.

    Since I missed this discussion, is there anyway to continue it on Monday at the next meeting?

    July 6, 2011

  • Ed B.

    Since we haven't chosen a date yet, may I suggest we plan a special date and event. Perhaps late July?

    June 26, 2011

  • Teresa

    Yes, please. Very focused. Here's that less traveled road thing, again....

    June 26, 2011

  • Jeff

    Yeah, sure.

    June 25, 2011

  • Jeff

    Hey Mark - considering that we've traveled this road before, I'd like to challenge you to come up with a very narrowly focused question.

    June 25, 2011

  • Fred

    sounds right up my alley! any chance of meeting in St. Matthews area?

    June 25, 2011

  • Teresa

    Ok, what's the question? : )

    June 25, 2011

  • Teresa

    Hey Mark, in keeping with our new trend of talking about things in inspiring places: Interfaith Paths for pEace is hosting an event Downtown next week to celbeate the Budda's life and passing. It's the 25th, in the evening. The is a peace walk and a presentation by children, I think. That might get eveyone in an interesting mood for the next phase of this discussion.

    June 16, 2011

  • Mark B.

    It seems a 50/50 chance I'll be there on Monday but yeah I'm totally in on having this discussion whenever I can attend.

    March 24, 2011

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    Hey! Nothing better than an unanswerable question and openminded group to ponder it with

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    Hey, I'm Richard. I'm a free thinker and my ideas/beliefs are not set in stone.

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