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Re: [alternativeenergy-224] Aluminum-Air Battery Application

From: Mitchell
Sent on: Thursday, April 11, 2013 7:18 AM
No, have you?  But if so you may be talking about static electricity,
which delivers no energy.  To get energy you need both current and
voltage.  (both amps & volts)

m

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Timthy Okeefe <[address removed]> wrote:
>
> Have you seen an empty water bottle put out 8 or more volts? With two
> small copper wires sticking out the side of it?
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> Rohn Brown <[address removed]> wrote:
> Sure enough there are "plastic batteries" but apparently none of them have
> made it out of the lab, too many chemical stability problems.  Some of the
> plastic battery info is about making the carbon used in anodes from plastics
> bags so these batteries still contain metal.  The chemistry with metal must
> be a little more straight forward for now but many labs are working on
> various battery chemistries and time will tell which ones turn out to be
> commercially viable..
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> ____________________­____________
> From: Timthy Okeefe <[address removed]>
> To: [address removed]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10,[masked]:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [alternativeenergy-2­24] Aluminum-Air Battery Application
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> I've seen plastic batteries. Oxidation of the plastic produced carbon,
> hydrogen, and electric power. It's just electrolytes backwords. Lots of
> energy used to make plastic. It's only profitable using a catalyzet. A lot
> of water bottles could be powering cars or my electric bike.
>
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> Rohn Brown <[address removed]> wrote:
> I've seen this before and read about other "air" batteries.  All ( to my
> knowledge - fill me in if there is another chemistry to lose electrons)
> batteries are just corrosion systems where a metal (may be other materials
> but as I recall it is usually a metal) is oxidized.  In the air batteries
> the oxygen source is ambient air.  The problems with the operation of the
> batteries is getting the oxygen molecule lose from what is attached to and
> problems with the surface structure of the corroding metal.  What these
> batteries really show is how much electricity is required to make aluminum.
> One good thing is that a lot of aluminum is made using hydro-power so it can
> be considered very green.  For those interested a fairly current cost of
> aluminum is $0.89/pound. That is the raw material price so aluminum plate
> would cost more.  A quick check for sheet aluminum gave $2.19/pound.  So to
> re[lace the 55 pounds in this battery should cost at least $121 and as an
> assembled battery it would probably cost at least three (to ten) times the
> material price - not that bad considering.
>
> Rohn
> ____________________­____________
> From: Mitchell <[address removed]>
> To: [address removed]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10,[masked]:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [alternativeenergy-2­24] Aluminum-Air Battery Application
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> I had never heard of an air battery, so I was initially quite
> skeptical, but Google shows that air batteries exist, so there is some
> possibility that this may be true.
>
> m
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Bruce Joseph <[address removed]> wrote:
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> > Very interesting if it actually works!
> >
> > http://www.gizmag...­
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> > Bruce
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