Re: [alternativeenergy-224] Aluminum-Air Battery Application

From: Rohn B.
Sent on: Thursday, April 11, 2013 12:10 PM
Mitchell said it all.


From: Mitchell <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Thursday, April 11,[masked]:18 AM
Subject: Re: [alternativeenergy-224] Aluminum-Air Battery Application

No, have you?  But if so you may be talking about static electricity,
which delivers no energy.  To get energy you need both current and
voltage.  (both amps & volts)

m

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Timthy Okeefe <[address removed]> wrote:
>
> Have you seen an empty water bottle put out 8 or more volts? With two
> small copper wires sticking out the side of it?
>
>
> Sent from my Cricket smartphone
>
> Rohn Brown <[address removed]> wrote:
> Sure enough there are "plastic batteries" but apparently none of them have
> made it out of the lab, too many chemical stability problems.  Some of the
> plastic battery info is about making the carbon used in anodes from plastics
> bags so these batteries still contain metal.  The chemistry with metal must
> be a little more straight forward for now but many labs are working on
> various battery chemistries and time will tell which ones turn out to be
> commercially viable..
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Timthy Okeefe <[address removed]>
> To: [address removed]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10,[masked]:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [alternativeenergy-224] Aluminum-Air Battery Application
>
> I've seen plastic batteries. Oxidation of the plastic produced carbon,
> hydrogen, and electric power. It's just electrolytes backwords. Lots of
> energy used to make plastic. It's only profitable using a catalyzet. A lot
> of water bottles could be powering cars or my electric bike.
>
>
> Sent from my Cricket smartphone
>
> Rohn Brown <[address removed]> wrote:
> I've seen this before and read about other "air" batteries.  All ( to my
> knowledge - fill me in if there is another chemistry to lose electrons)
> batteries are just corrosion systems where a metal (may be other materials
> but as I recall it is usually a metal) is oxidized.  In the air batteries
> the oxygen source is ambient air.  The problems with the operation of the
> batteries is getting the oxygen molecule lose from what is attached to and
> problems with the surface structure of the corroding metal.  What these
> batteries really show is how much electricity is required to make aluminum.
> One good thing is that a lot of aluminum is made using hydro-power so it can
> be considered very green.  For those interested a fairly current cost of
> aluminum is $0.89/pound. That is the raw material price so aluminum plate
> would cost more.  A quick check for sheet aluminum gave $2.19/pound.  So to
> re[lace the 55 pounds in this battery should cost at least $121 and as an
> assembled battery it would probably cost at least three (to ten) times the
> material price - not that bad considering.
>
> Rohn
> ________________________________
> From: Mitchell <[address removed]>
> To: [address removed]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10,[masked]:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [alternativeenergy-224] Aluminum-Air Battery Application
>
> I had never heard of an air battery, so I was initially quite
> skeptical, but Google shows that air batteries exist, so there is some
> possibility that this may be true.
>
> m
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Bruce Joseph <[address removed]> wrote:
> >
> > Very interesting if it actually works!
> >
> > http://www.gizmag.com/phinergy-metal-air-battery/26922/
> >
> > Bruce
> <snip>
>
> Check out my blog at http://earthchurch.blogspot.com !
>
>
>
> --
> Please Note: If you hit "REPLY", your message will be sent to everyone on
> this mailing list ([address removed])
> http://www.meetup.com/Solar-Society/
> This message was sent by Mitchell ([address removed]) from The Solar
> Society.
> To learn more about Mitchell, visit his/her member profile:
> http://www.meetup.com/Solar-Society/members/5765932/
> Set my mailing list to email me
>
> As they are sent
> http://www.meetup.com/Solar-Society/list_prefs/?pref=1
>
> In one daily email
> http://www.meetup.com/Solar-Society/list_prefs/?pref=2
>
> Don't send me mailing list messages
> http://www.meetup.com/Solar-Society/list_prefs/?pref=0
> Meetup, POB 4668 #37895 NY NY USA 10163 | [address removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Please Note: If you hit "REPLY", your message will be sent to everyone on
> this mailing list ([address removed])
> This message was sent by Rohn Brown ([address removed]) from The Solar
> Society.
> To learn more about Rohn Brown, visit his/her member profile
> Set my mailing list to email me As they are sent | In one daily email |
> Don't send me mailing list messages
>
> Meetup, POB 4668 #37895 NY NY USA 10163 | [address removed]
>
>
>
>
> --
> Please Note: If you hit "REPLY", your message will be sent to everyone on
> this mailing list ([address removed])
> This message was sent by Timthy Okeefe ([address removed]) from The
> Solar Society.
> To learn more about Timthy Okeefe, visit his/her member profile
> Set my mailing list to email me As they are sent | In one daily email |
> Don't send me mailing list messages
>
> Meetup, POB 4668 #37895 NY NY USA 10163 | [address removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Please Note: If you hit "REPLY", your message will be sent to everyone on
> this mailing list ([address removed])
> This message was sent by Rohn Brown ([address removed]) from The Solar
> Society.
> To learn more about Rohn Brown, visit his/her member profile
> Set my mailing list to email me As they are sent | In one daily email |
> Don't send me mailing list messages
>
> Meetup, POB 4668 #37895 NY NY USA 10163 | [address removed]
>
>
>
>
> --
> Please Note: If you hit "REPLY", your message will be sent to everyone on
> this mailing list ([address removed])
> This message was sent by Timthy Okeefe ([address removed]) from The
> Solar Society.
> To learn more about Timthy Okeefe, visit his/her member profile
> Set my mailing list to email me As they are sent | In one daily email |
> Don't send me mailing list messages
>
> Meetup, POB 4668 #37895 NY NY USA 10163 | [address removed]




--
Check out my blog at http://earthchurch.blogspot.com !



--
Please Note: If you hit "REPLY", your message will be sent to everyone on this mailing list ([address removed])
http://www.meetup.com/Solar-Society/
This message was sent by Mitchell ([address removed]) from The Solar Society.
To learn more about Mitchell, visit his/her member profile: http://www.meetup.com/Solar-Society/members/5765932/
Set my mailing list to email me

As they are sent
http://www.meetup.com/Solar-Society/list_prefs/?pref=1

In one daily email
http://www.meetup.com/Solar-Society/list_prefs/?pref=2

Don't send me mailing list messages
http://www.meetup.com/Solar-Society/list_prefs/?pref=0
Meetup, POB 4668 #37895 NY NY USA 10163 | [address removed]



Our Sponsors

People in this
Meetup are also in:

Sign up

Meetup members, Log in

By clicking "Sign up" or "Sign up using Facebook", you confirm that you accept our Terms of Service & Privacy Policy