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From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]]On Behalf Of Tom Townsend
Sent: Wednesday, January 13,[masked]:01 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: RE: [steelers-51] There's always next year!

Jim and all

 

Thanks, for the comments.  But, Come on, don't question my loyalty or manhood, etc. (I am from Pittsburgh by the way)   The knitting club was just an example.  ANY  MEETUP THAT IS PAYING MONEY TO WATCH A GAME DOES NOT DESERVE TO BE THREATENED OR VERBALLY ABUSED.  I don't like verbal abuse and don't want to get into fights, FADO has an obligation to stop me, the paying customer, from getting cussed out by a Seahawks fan in front of his kid, and from protecting my and others physical security.  Particularly when I am sitting at a table, and a guy approaches me and cusses me out.  Management needs to know what is acceptable behaviour, that is not.   

 

This is not a huge issue.  Just we have a Steeler room, Seahawks fans shouldn't cause trouble.  Basic human decency.  If they are starting trouble, threatening people, they should be told to stop, or escorted out. 

 

As for getting in my head, the viewing experience is not a football game itself.  Go to the Tacoma Steelers bar, you need to actually wear Steelers stuff to get into the Steelers side of the room.  I am not sure why you would expect anyone to accept verbal abuse.  Are you saying that the Seahawks guys who taunted and threatened the four women Steelers fans should be excused and welcomed back?  Chalk that up to normal football behavior?  Not adults watching a football game. 

 

I am not sure what the mommy and daddy comment meant?  Bill Cowher has nothing to do with it, or Joe Greene.  If a Seahawks fan gets in my face or threatens me (which has happened), should I late hit him, spit on him, tackle him?  Should I pull a Jack Lambert, and tackle him and use his head to help me get up?    No, I don't want get arrested.  I just want to watch the game. 

 

I am a realist, I understand that we are in Seattle, Seahawks fans are jerks (some of them).  Some verbal taunting is not what I am talking about.  That is normal.  I am not stupid. I am not talking about someone who says Go Raiders, when Steelers are playing them.  I am talking about, Sitting in our room (which we are essentially paying for) and letting Seahawks fans come in and talk  trash, guys stare you down, threaten you, come to your table,  accepting this behaviour is ridiculous.  Keep them out, keep the trouble out. 

 

If you Jim want to tackle someone or pull a Bill Cowher, be my guest, see how Fado likes that, see where you end up. 

 

I have tried talking with Seahawks fans who are doing this, have tried talking trash back, it just makes it worse.  Other Steeler FADO fans avoid coming to FADO on Seahawks home Sundays, I am not the only one who has this problem. 

 

Can someone else chime in if you are annoyed with Seahawks fans at FADO? 

 

Tom

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Jim Hicks <[address removed]> wrote:

Seriously, did you just equate the plight of a Steelers fan with the plight of a knitting club?

You're going to get verbally abused because your team is vastly superior, you're going to get taunted and cussed at because it allows those whose fortunes have not so shined on them (i.e. Seahawk's fans) to feel competitive - kinda like how little dogs bark at big dogs, not because they have hope of being the big dog, but rather for the length of the encounter, they get to feel like a bigger dog. If you are a Steelers fan, you are, by fiat, always going to be the biggest dog in any room.
If I were you I would welcome the verbal abuse, the cussing, the taunting, the jabs, and heck, even the occasional thrown object - take it as a compliment - no one would feel the need to cuss you out if your team was a perennial loser.

As a Steelers fan, you represent the glorious tradition of Jack Lambert, Mean Joe Greene, Hines Ward, Bill Cowher (who, when mad, would think nothing of headbutting a player while they were still wearing their helmet) and countless others who would not dream of asking management to make a special rule to keep the other patrons from teasing them.

Being a Steelers fan is like being in a knitting club? That sound you hear is Mel Bount rolling over in his grave.

Plus, I would suspect that if the Seahawks fans caught wind of the fact that the Steelers fans were being segregated "in order to cut down on their being teased", that would do nothing but exponentially increase the amount and severity of the taunting. I mean, what Seahawks fan (ANY football fan for that matter) isnt going to be encouraged by the fact that they've gotten in your head enough that you're essentially asking mommy and daddy to pull the car over and separate you.

C'mon dude, you're literally asking for intervention to prevent being smirked at. What kind of Steelers fan are you?

I respect your right to enjoy the event any way you see fit - as well as your right to try whatever you feel necessary to make the experience meet your expectations, but speaking as someone who was born and raised in Western Pennsylvania, please dont tell them "*we* Steelers fans need our own section where *we* cant be smirked at" - - if you cant have the fortitude and the responsibility that comes with being a fan of the greatest football franchise in the history of the game then - and I say this with all due respect - I for one wouldnt want to be in that "we".

Peace, fellow Yinzers.

jim

PS - Yes, I know Mel Blount isnt actually dead.



Anthony wrote:

I never made it to one of the meetups, because I didn't know about the group until later, and I had prior arrangements or parental  responsibilities on the others.
 
I agree with Tom, which is probably why I wont attend any football meetups unless it is in someone's home next season, JMO. I guess the older I get, I am falling out of the bar life.
 
Anthony
 

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Subject: Re: [steelers-51] There's always next year!
From: [address removed]
To: [address removed]
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:58:08 -0500

Here is my 2 cents.

 

I have enjoyed Fado,the management is great.  Steelers are great, watching it with you all is great.   However, one thing that needs to be changed in my opinion is the amount of abuse that Steeler fans take from Seattle fans. 

 

I understand that we are in Seattle, however, if we are allowed to be a meetup, and bring money into a bar, we should not (and Fado should not) allow Seahawks fans to verbally abuse us, take our seats, and make comments to us every time there is a home game.

 

Management needs to let the Seahawks fans know that one room is a Steelers bar, and they need to STAY OUT, quite frankly.  There were at LEAST 4 incidents where Steelers fans were watching their game and Seahawks fans cussed at me, verbally abused a group of Steelers women, and always come into the room root for the other team, and smirk and laugh. 

 

Again, if this behaviour happens, management should let the people know that this is a steelers meetup, Stay Out.   If necessary, Fado should escort Seahawks fans out who are attemping to start trouble and intimidate us.   Just like if there was a knitting club meeting at the bar, people who come into the bar should not start verbally abusing the knitters.  The fact that we are Steelers fans is irrelevant, we can't help it that we beat the Seahawks 4 years ago and people can't let it go. 

 

If the Steelers Meetup/Managment does not work to address this issue, I will try the eastside bar, or drive to the Tacoma Steelers bar.    

 

At the Tacoma Steelers Bar, you need Steelers Clothes to even enter the Steeler side of the bar, to weed out the dummys who are just trying to cause trouble.

 

Thanks

 

Go Steelers

 

Tom Townsend

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Peter <[address removed]> wrote:

Hello Steeler Nation Seattle!

We didn't have a year we expected and we sure had to endure some painful losses, but all in all we are in better shape today than we were two weeks ago in getting ready for next year! Finally some coaching changes and probably more to come along with some personnel changes too! Willie will probably leave the 'Burgh for other pastures, not sure that they'll be greener but he might want to play on some new grass!

We didn't have as grand a season form a turnout point of view for all of the games and TJ and I have been talking alot about what we can do to revitalize the group, grow the group and keep the excitement level up where we know you all are! We are after all Steeler fans and there are none better anywhere, and certainly none better here in the Seattle area!

We have decided to make a couple of changes and the first I want to announce here today! TJ and I have spent a fair amount of time talking to existing members, potential members and a few old members to be sure we are on the right track. It is clear that we have two basic "sides" to our membership, Eastside and Westside and there are folks who fall into each group, geographically (they live in Seattle or Eastside) who refuse to go anywhere other than to a venue on their side of the water (Lake Washington that is). I understand this as one who lives on the Eastside. Alternately, we have ES'ers and WS'ers who will go anywhere to see a game with other Steeler fans (like me and TJ). Having one venue to serve all, though ideal, isn't really going to work, so we have searched and found an Eastside venue and I want to welcome them to the club right now.

Please join me in welcoming Time Out Sports Bar of Issaquah as our official Eastside Steeler Nation venue for the[masked] NFL season. Owner Chris Stoneberg is a native of South Hills and a lifelong Steeler fan. A lot of the regulars who watch at TO (Time Out) have frequented Fado and Sideline in Bellevue (we looked at Sideline too), but due to distance and some conflicts at Sideline they moved their loyalty to TO in Issaquah!

The venue had six or seven HD flat screen tv's that are on whatever the Pittsburgh fans want to watch. Chris hasn't got the kitchen up completely yet, but will have it in full operation in a month or two tops! It's a very comfortable spot, great people, lots of Steeler fans and lots of Steeler fans - did I mention lots of Steeler fans! The address is 185 Front Street in donton Issaquh, doncha know. Just south of the theater on the west side of the street (signage is tough in Issaquah so keep a sharp lookpout). We have added Maurice (Mo) Goodwin (new member) as our official Eastdie organizer and I am sure we'll be hearing from Mo once the season gets going next year!

Anyhow, we hope that this will entice a bunch of new Eastside members and we'll continue to work to make being a Pittsburgh Steeler fan the best fan experience in Seattle. Stay tuned for more news, let us (Peter, TJ & Mo) know what you want and we'll do our best to make it happen!

Happy New Year!

Peter




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