Havasupai: 3 nights and a full moon!

**Announcement**

Once you have made your payment and are confirmed for the trip, if for any reason you need to cancel, you will be required to find a replacement from the wait list or from the group to go in your place.  You can then collect the amount you paid from that person.  Once you have found your replacement, please contact Robert to notify him that you have designated a replacement, received your money & he will then have that person added to the trip.

ABOUT THE TRIP

We have 30 permits available for a 3 night stay in Havasupai the full moon weekend of 10/18, 10/19 and 10/20. Cost per person for the entire weekend is $101.00.  The plan is to drive up to the trail head Thursday night after work (10/17), sleep and then make the 8 mile gradual, downhill hike to the village. We'll stop in the village, pick up our permits and then hike on the last 2 miles to the campground.

Once camp is set up, everyone is free to roam about, enjoy the falls, take day hikes, settle in a quiet spot & read a book, whatever your hearts desire. I would like to hike down to the Colorado on Saturday, but this will depend on several factors, weather included. We will also have all day Sunday to hike, relax, swim (if it's warm enough...which is unlikely, unless you're in from Minnesota or... Alaska!) or just hang out. Come early Monday morning, we'll pack up and make the 10 mile trip out.

About the hike: The first 1 1/2 miles in is switchbacks. The remaining 8 1/2 miles is a very gradual downhill hike through mostly dry canyon that feels quite flat much of the time. I would recommend carrying at least 3 liters of water for the trip down, but capacity for at least 4 or more liters as you may require more water for the trip out.

About camp: Campground is first come, first serve. No campfires are permitted. However, camp stoves are allowed. There are picnic tables at many of the sites that will make cooking a bit easier. The campgrounds have compost toilets and a faucet for drinking water.  The river is typically quite clear, so we will be able to filter water directly from it.   There is also a village general store & cafe where water, beverages and snacks can be purchased (back in the village, 2 miles from the campground).  Temps average upper 70's in the day and upper 40's in the night. I will be watching weather reports as the trip date draws nearer for rain & other conditions.

About the full moon: Most of the websites I've checked indicate that the full moon will peak at approximately 1:30 AM Friday night/Saturday morning. I'll confirm the time as the date draws nearer for anyone that is interested in bringing camera equipment to capture the rising of the moon over Havasu Falls.

About the drive: We will meet in the Pyle Adult Rec Center parking lot (south of the center) which is directly west (behind) the library. Here we can arrange carpooling for anyone that is interested in sharing rides. The drive there is approximately 5 hours as I remember, possibly longer with traffic.

About your reservation: You will be required to submit your payment by check or cash either at the trip meeting or before the trip meeting.  When we arrive in the Havasupai village, one payment will be made on behalf of everyone.  If for any reason you are unable to attend and you have not yet paid, feel free to change your RSVP.  If you have already paid and change your mind, please keep your RSVP set to "yes" and either post a comment on the event that you are looking for a person to take your place or, contact a member of the waiting list to make arrangements with them to go in your place and to pay you the fee.  Once payment is made, that person will have to contact Robert to get on the trip and have the RSVP updated.  This is a large group with a long waiting list and I want to avoid cancellations and no-shows.

If we have time at the trip planning meeting, we will discuss gear sharing (stoves, water filters, etc) or to address any questions about what to bring or how to prepare.

Happy hiking!
Terri

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  • Denise R.

    Hi Su-shien, I tried emailing you from this group. Please email me back ([masked]) or send me your phone number to coordinate picking up my pack. Thanks!

    October 24, 2013

  • Terri

    The pictures are beuatiful! I'm so glad you all had a good time.

    October 23, 2013

  • Dan The Hikin' M.

    Had a most awesome weekend full of adventure and photography. Thanks for leading, Robert! And thanks for setting up and pre-planning, Terri.

    October 22, 2013

  • Robert

    Great hike, great location, and great people.

    October 22, 2013

  • Su-shien (.

    Mule reserved and paid. Can leave gear at 7am. Charles I told the guy you were coming up on Sun he seems okay with it.

    October 17, 2013

  • Su-shien (.

    Right now we have Steve L., Charles L., and I for the mule. Need one more person for it to be $47/person otherwise the cost needs to be split by 3.

    October 16, 2013

    • Teresa W

      Sara Lima is a YES for the last spot on the mule.

      October 16, 2013

    • Su-shien (.

      Okay. She can pay me at the trailhead. $47.

      October 17, 2013

  • Charles

    Sushien, I just joined the trip. I'll take you up on one of the mule spots, can pay you in cash Friday morning. However, I am coming back Sunday, so either I'll have to pack out or enlist someone in grabbing my pack off the mules Monday.

    October 15, 2013

    • Robert

      Charles: I just called everyone (except Denise) and no one will be meeting at Tempe but instead they are taking off early. I want to make sure that you do not go to Tempe tomorrow. Thanks, Robert

      October 16, 2013

    • Charles

      ok thanks. We'll be departing around 4

      October 16, 2013

  • Robert

    Want to make sure that no one goes to Tempe on Thursday as everyone will be leaving earlier. I have a huge tent that sleeps 8 for Thursday night. So far I have Kim and Olivier and myself sleeping in the tent. If anyone else wants to join us, the more bodies the warmer it will be in the tent. See you all on the trail head, no later than 8:00 am.

    October 16, 2013

  • Robert

    As of Sunday we have 19 paid attendees and still waiting on payment for two who have paid on paypal but I have still not received payment. I have 4 new additional requests for permits, Charles, Andre, Olga, and Olivier. As explained before, if they can get their payments to me by tomorrow, they are going. Anyone else who wants to go, please call me to arrange for payments. Cash only. Robert

    October 13, 2013

  • Robert

    Su-Shien will be coming by today to give me her payment so that still leaves 14 permits still available. I do not know why this stupid website says "26 attending." This is getting frustrating when there may be people out there who are on the waiting list who want to attend but think RSPs are closed and may be denied an opportunity to have an incredible time in the Grand Canyon. We will have the Canyon to ourselves. It is NOT too late; you pay you go. There are at least 14 openings. Call me before it is too late,[masked]-1421. Anyone on the wait list or not on the list are now eligible to buy a permit.

    October 4, 2013

    • Steve L.

      Robert. I have their payments. where in the east valley and I can drop it off. text [masked]

      October 8, 2013

    • Robert

      Hi Steve: What is more convenient for you, central Phoenix or Gilbert?

      October 13, 2013

  • Faisal

    Few of my friends just got back from Havasupai this morning. Weather is awesome- about 50-degree in the morning. Water is still blue but cold to jump in. The campsite was very crowded as anticipated likely due to the government shutdown. The parking at the trailhead was brutal-longer than a mile. Water well is functional but long queue due to overwhelming crowd.

    October 9, 2013

    • Robert

      Thanks for the update. I think the crowds will lessen now that Congress has agreed to re-open the parks. It is being voted on today.

      October 10, 2013

  • Su-shien (.

    Hi, I still have 2 spots open on the mule for anyone who is interested in having the mule carry their gears down. Cost is $47/person.
    I'm also leaving Thurs morning latest time for departure is 12 noon. Leaving at Desert Ridge area Tatum & 101. Have room for 2 more people. Coming back Mon.
    Anyone interested, please message me. Thanks.

    October 9, 2013

  • Terri

    Hello Denise! Yes, anyone on the RSVP "yes" list will receive the handout. Looks like the list is pretty close to final, so I'll send it out tonight.

    1 · October 7, 2013

    • Denise R.

      Thanks, Terri. Do you have anything on the essentials to bring? I know it sounds like a no-brainer but this is my first time camping and I don't want to miss anything. Thanks!

      October 8, 2013

    • Denise R.

      Great - thanks!

      October 8, 2013

  • Robert

    Hi Sarah:

    Good question. I have called the tribe and they have informed me that they are open for business. One thing to remember, this tribe has homes and live in Havasupai Village. It is not simply a campground for us to enjoy, it is home to hundreds of natives. We are invited guests to their village to enjoy their land with them. The US government cannot close access to their village simply because the road to their village may pass over US government land. Just like the government cannot close a road that leads Phoenix simply because it passes over US Government land. We anticipate that there will be re-newed interest in Havasui Falls as the result of the Grand Canyon closure. Thanks for your question.

    October 8, 2013

  • Terri

    Hi Denise. I have a gear checklist that I created for another group I can share. I'll post it in the files section tonight for everyone.

    1 · October 8, 2013

  • Sara

    Robert, I'm assuming we can still get into the Grand Canyon to get to Havasupai with the government closure?

    October 8, 2013

  • Terri

    Hi All... I'm looking for the "Mike" that paid Robert to be on trip. I'm hoping you'll see this comment & respond so I can add you to the RSVP list.

    October 7, 2013

  • Terri

    Robert, the only folks I heard from that haven't yet paid you are Loni and Su-shien. I'll pull the rest of the folks off the list sometime this week.

    October 3, 2013

    • Steve L.

      got the payment for both. Need to coordinate getting Robert the payment

      October 6, 2013

    • Robert

      Hi Steve: Can you make arrangements to get Su-Shien's and Loni's payment to me. I live in the east valley and work in Phoenix. I can't guarantee the permits until I receive payment. Thanks, Robert (602)[masked]

      October 7, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Does anyone know if I need a water filter? I called and asked of there was potable water and he said there is a natural spring to drink. Does it need to be filtered!?

    October 7, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      Ha! Thankyou! :)

      October 7, 2013

    • Robert

      Hi Lindsay: I do not see your name on the paid list. Please call me so you can make arrangements to get your payment to me. There are still permits available. Thank you, Robert (602)[masked]

      October 7, 2013

  • Dan The Hikin' M.

    My previous experience at the campground is that the bathrooms frequently run out of paper and do not get restocked right away (maybe half-day or longer), so BYO T.P. just to be safe!

    October 7, 2013

  • Robert

    I do know if there is enough interest in this, but when I lead a hike I usually have a meeting with those who are interested to go over in detail regarding the equipment you will need and explain all the details of the hike. This will be my 10th time down to Havasui Falls and have learned from many mistakes. If I get 5 or more members who are interested, I can have a meeting a few days before we leave at my law office in central Phoenix (16th street & Glendale). I will bring in a fully packed back pack with all the things you will need to the hike. I thought one day next week at 6:00 pm. Any interest?

    October 6, 2013

    • Denise R.

      I would be interested and can make a 6pm meeting on Tuesday or Thursday (also Friday). Thanks, Robert.

      October 6, 2013

    • Sara

      I'm interested and free Wednesday or Thursday evening.

      October 7, 2013

  • Denise R.

    Terri, I believe you mentioned sending the folks that couldn't make last week's meeting some documents that would be helpful for the trip. This is my first time camping and any information would be helpful and appreciated. Thanks in advance!

    October 6, 2013

    • Su-shien (.

      Hi Denise, if this is your first time camping have you considered having the mule take your gears down so you can enjoy the hike?

      October 7, 2013

    • Denise R.

      Hi Sunshine, yes I have considered a mule but I do not think I will use one to go down. I may want one on the way back up, however. Lol!

      October 7, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    question about driving...
    is BIA-18 paved or gravel? how is it to drive on?

    October 4, 2013

    • Faisal

      It's paved all the way to the trailhead.

      October 4, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      Thankyou!

      October 7, 2013

  • Su-shien (.

    Hi Robert,
    Per Terri and Steve's comments below, I've paid. Terri I believe Yolanda is Loni as that's the other person Steve said has paid.

    October 7, 2013

  • Terri

    Robert, Su-shien is paid, so she should be on the RSVP yes list. Steve is supposed to contact you about the payment. Someone else named Yolanda paid him, but I can't find her in the list. Steve, do you know who she is?

    October 6, 2013

  • Terri

    Lindsay, you're on the waiting list. Did you pay Robert? Just FYI to everyone, the number of unused permits that we do not have RSVPs for will be cancelled through the tribe before the trip. Anyone that goes in without a permit will be charged an extra fee by the tribe (see the website for the amount) if a permit is available which, with the national parks being closed, the number of people down there may be increased.

    October 5, 2013

  • Terri

    Hi Sara...all fixed. Must have been a mistake.

    October 4, 2013

    • Sara

      Thank you so much!!!!! :-)

      October 4, 2013

  • Su-shien (.

    Hi Robert,
    I was running way behind and was unable to come by your office to drop off a check. I've just paid Steve Lemeke via PayPal. He should give you the $101. Thank you. Su-shien

    October 4, 2013

  • Sara

    Terri, why am I not on this trip anymore?

    October 4, 2013

  • Su-shien (.

    Hi Terri and Robert-
    Robert I've called you several times and left messages. I can write you a check and come by your office to drop it off. Please return my phone call. I've also called Steve re paying by PayPal waiting for him to call me back. The only thing is I don't want to pay extra fees. So I would rather write a check. Someone take my money!!!!! I'm ready to pay!!!!

    October 3, 2013

  • Robert

    NOTICE: There is still plenty of permits available. I do not know why it says "32 Attending RSPS closed." I still have 15 permits. Remember, the first ones who pay me are guaranteed a permit. If you want to join us, call me at[masked] to arrange payment.

    October 3, 2013

  • Denise R.

    I know people will be coordinating carpooling closer to the trip date but I am looking to ride with someone. I am available to leave from the Phoenix area any time Thursday and am open to returning Sunday or Monday.

    October 2, 2013

  • Terri

    Hi Steve! I just sent an email to Loni, Su-shien and a few others that want to pay by credit card that I'd send your info to them tonight. I still need to contact Robert, also, to let him know who will pay by credit card.

    October 2, 2013

  • Su-shien (.

    Hi, I will be using a mule to carry my gears down. It's $187 for round trip and can carry 130 lbs. total. In the past, I've shared this cost with 3 other people so it's $45 per person splitting it four ways.
    I've also stayed at Seligman at a motel the night before if anyone is interested. I can also stay at the trailhead the night before. Let me know if anyone is interested in sharing a mule!

    August 30, 2013

    • Teresa W

      Steve Lemke and I are heading down the trail early Fri morning, like you. We'll coordinate with you to get our things to the mule at the right time. Contact Steve to pay you.

      September 30, 2013

    • Steve L.

      Hey Sunshine, let me know how to pay you.

      October 2, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Hi Robert, unfortunately I have to pull out of attending due to starting a new job in two weeks and will not be able to get the time off.... :( But it opens up a spot for someone on the waiting list.

    I have booked to go to the Grand Canyon - Mather campground Thurs - Sun this week and was planning to hike to the bottom for the first time. Have been trying to do this for almost two years and now I can finally go the national parks may be closed... In Ireland we call that Murphy's law.....

    October 1, 2013

  • Denise R.

    Let's hope the government shutdown doesn't last very long but it may affect our trip. Something to think about.

    September 30, 2013

    • Robert

      Hi Denise: It was nice meeting you the other day when you dropped your check off. Please call me at[masked]-1421. Since you will not be at tonight's meeting, I need your phone number and additional information. Thanks, Robert

      October 1, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Hi Robert,

    I am registered for the trip with a plus one, but I would like to send my husband to the meeting tonight to deliver the checks and participate in the meeting in my place since I have to work (he is my plus one). I imagine this will be alright, but just wanted to confirm.

    October 1, 2013

    • Robert

      No problem. Please put both of your dates of birth on the check at the bottom at the line that says "for."

      October 1, 2013

  • Terri

    Hello Denise. Our trip into Havasupai will not be affected by the unfortunate state of our government. Though Havasupai is geographically part of the Grand Canyon, it is not part of the national park system.

    2 · October 1, 2013

    • Denise R.

      Awesome! :-)

      October 1, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      Thank god! Cuz I'm flying out from michigan! Whew!

      1 · October 1, 2013

  • Robert

    For those asking for exceptions about paying due to a variety of reasons including ancestry or living out of state, etc. I need to keep it simple. I am responsible for a payment of $3,030 to the tribe so I can't complicate this with a variety of exceptions for a variety of people so please do not ask me. The rule is this: No exceptions, if you are on the attending list and you pay in full by check (or cash) by the end of Tuesday (October 1), you WILL be assigned a permit. If I do not have 30 payments for 30 permits by the end of the day on Tuesday, they will be sold to those on the waiting list the next day, providing they can get their payment to me within 48 hours. For those who may quality for a free admittance due to their ancestry, you must apply for a refund at the entrance office in Supai village at the time the permits are purchased. I hope this is simple so it does not confuse anyone.

    September 30, 2013

  • Terri

    Hi Everyone! So, RSVP's are open until tomorrow. I turned the waitlist feature on and it automatically added people to the list so, I am hoping that, true to expectation, they will receive notice and respond accordingly.

    September 30, 2013

  • Terri

    Hi Lisa. I sent an email out last week about open spots. I'll send another tonight as a reminder. Robert and I agreed to leave the wait lis set to manual because the wait list had people on it for so many months, I was worried they may not see the email notifying them they were on the trip or, that they'd forget. He can change it to automatic if he wants to, it's just a matter of keeping track of who is on or off related to their status of payment, which can get hard to keep track of in automatic mode.

    September 30, 2013

  • meli

    i am confused about the rsvp que. I see 23 people on waiting list, yet my "yes" went directly to attending. I would not make the meeting, so would like to be in the loop from tucson.
    robert, can you clue me in?

    September 30, 2013

    • Steve L.

      Meli, it is set up so if a spot is open it's yours. of you are on the waiting list you still have to change it to attending. it is not automatic.

      September 30, 2013

  • Terri

    Hi Meli! RSVP's are still open. I am going to keep them open until tomorrow, just before the meeting to give people more time to come off the waitlist.

    September 30, 2013

    • Lisa

      If people don't automatically move from the wait list to the 'yes' RSVP they should get an email to make sure they know that this trips wait list is not set for automatic management

      1 · September 30, 2013

  • Su-shien (.

    Yvonne Millin and Angie Williams I live by Tatum & 101. David Chan is already carpooling with me. Do you guys want to join us? I drive a Buick Enclave and plan on sleeping in my car Thurs night at trailhead. David plans on sleeping outside.

    September 29, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    I live in Scottsdale and offer to car pool. Also, have a question if there is water available without filtering at the campground?

    September 24, 2013

    • Robert

      Filter or not to filter? Very common question. This will be my 10th hike to Hhavasupai and I have never filtered my water and I have never gotten sick. However, I do know of some hikers that prefer to filter their water. Do to the size and weight of a water filter, if you have a stomach that gets sick easily, I would suggests you buy a small bottle of pills that will disinfect the water. I do not use these pills but I do carry them for emergencies. Very small and very light.

      September 27, 2013

    • Robert

      Denise: Are you still coming to my office today? I will be leaving early to drive to Flagstaff so please call me about your intentions. [masked]-1421. s

      September 27, 2013

  • Robert

    Correction: you can pay me with a check on or before Tuesday, October 1.

    September 27, 2013

  • Robert

    Announcement to ALL: If you pay me on or before Monday, October 1, you can pay me by check. Actually I prefer a check :)
    Robert

    September 26, 2013

  • Robert

    I know this is last minute but it is a thrill, a really great thrill. Most Grand Canyon veterans will tell you the most fantastic and memorable experiences of one of the greatest natural wonders on our planet is from Turoweep, Havasui Falls and Point Sublime. It isn't my opinion, google those words and you will find an endless list of superlatives. I am leaving tomorrow night, Friday, after work, staying at the local Motel 6, and then driving to the north rim to Point Sublime to stay the night and drive home the next day. I may do a short detour to Lockett Meadow to check on the changing foliage. It may be too soon but you never know about the leaves. We can meet in Flagstaff, in the Wal-Mart parking lot at 7:45 AM if you are interested in joining me. But you will need a high clearance vehicle. This is the write up on Point Sublime: "it is one of the most breathtaking vistas anywhere in the Grand Canyon! Very remote!" Call me if you are interested[masked]
    Robert

    September 26, 2013

    • Denise R.

      Great. I'm in Central Phoenix also and can drop off the cash tomorrow (unless you prefer a check). I'm still fairly new to Phoenix and learning my way around town. If you give me an address, I'll plug it in to my GPS and I'll call when I'm on my way tomorrow, Friday.

      September 26, 2013

    • Robert

      I will take checks if I am paid on or before October 1. My law office is located at 7319 North 16th Street, PHX 85020. It is behind the 7321 building. Please call in advance,[masked]

      September 26, 2013

  • Terri

    All, there will be instructions and directions handed out at the meeting. If you will not be there, they will be sent by email to those that are RSVPd yes on the list.

    September 26, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      Hi Terri! I have my own hike on Oct 9th. I was wondering if you could email me directions too? I'm from out of state and am finding different addresses to the havasupai hilltop. I'm also concerned my gps may not work! I would really appreciate maps or directions! :)

      September 26, 2013

    • Terri

      Hi Lindsay! So long as you are RSVP'd Yes on the event, you will receive the hand-outs.

      September 26, 2013

  • Robert

    If you can't make the upcoming meeting, make sure you get the payment to me BEFORE the meeting. My law firm is located just off highway 51 between Glendale and Northern on 16th street. Call me to make alternative arrangements so you can come by and pay me. [masked]
    Thanks, Robert

    September 26, 2013

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