Re: [The-Burnsville-Socrates-Cafe] Harris' Free Will (Cliff Notes by Jon A)

From: Luda L.
Sent on: Friday, July 27, 2012 9:37 AM
That is a sign of great intelligence by the way. When people are in constant doubt about their abilities, and of course it is mostly because they are afraid to hurt other people around and they do mistakes anyways, because it is the way to learn. Those are who over sure of their geniuses are often jerks and mentally weak as we know Stalin and Hitler are the best examples.    
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 by Jon A)

You underestimate yourself, Andrea.



On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:28 AM, Andrusela <[address removed]> wrote:

> I think these are ideas worth entertaining. I especially relate to the
> laziness as a neurological condition hypothesis. Some people are just
> blessed with a lot of energy in productive ways and I am not. I cannot
> seem to budge my capacity for "getting things done" regardless of my
> attempts at healthy living and positive thinking, etc. I have a very
> active mind but it often spins its wheels, if you get my drift. And I
> also see how being born into the wrong family can doom a person, the
> way someone was treated and raised and how hard that is to overcome if
> it's bad. That doesn't mean that some people at the point that they
> are a danger to others will not need to be confined somewhere away
> from the rest of us, regardless of how much choice they had in what
> they later became. Just my two cents. And you get what you pay for, as
> they say. (smiley face)
> 
> On 7/25/12, Jon Anderson <[address removed]> wrote:
>> p.5
>> Either our wills are determined by prior causes and we are not responsible
>> for them, or they are the product of chance and we are not responsible for
>> them.
>> 
>> p.7
>> The intention to do one thing and not another does not originate in
>> consciousness -- rather it appears in consciousness.
>> 
>> p.11
>> You are not controlling the storm, and you are not lost in it. You are the
>> storm.
>> 
>> p.15
>> The idea of free will emerges from a felt experience.
>> 
>> p.19
>> Am I free to do that which does not occur to me to do? Of course not.
>> 
>> p.33
>> . . . the fact that our choices depend on prior causes does not mean that
>> they don't matter.
>> 
>> . . . you are no more responsible for the next thing you think (and
>> therefore do) than you are for the fact that you were born into this world.
>> 
>> p.38
>> . . . you cannot make your own luck.
>> 
>> My choices matter -- and there are paths toward making wiser ones -- but I
>> cannot choose what I choose.
>> 
>> p.30
>> Yes, you are free to do what you want even now. But where did your desires
>> come from?
>> 
>> p.45
>> Losing a belief in free will has not made me fatalistic -- in fact it has
>> increased my feelings of freedom. My hopes, fears, and neuroses seem less
>> personal and indelible. There is no telling how much I might change in the
>> future.
>> 
>> p.52
>> Once we recognize that even the most terrifying predators are, in a very
>> real sense, unlucky to be who they are, the logic of hating (as opposed to
>> fearing) them begins to unravel.
>> 
>> It seems immoral not to recognize just how luck is involved in morality
>> itself.
>> 
>> p.61
>> How much credit does a person deserve for not being lazy? None at all.
>> Laziness, like diligence, is a neurological condition.
>> 
>> In improving ourselves and society, we are working directly with the forces
>> of nature, for there is nothing but nature itself to work with.
>> 
>> p.64
>> Am I free to change my mind? Of course not. It can only change me.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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