Re: Still Looking for Presenters for Next Week's Gathering

From: Kingsley I.
Sent on: Monday, October 12, 2009 7:29 AM
Sean O'Connor wrote:
> Hello Kinsley,
>
> Thanks for the thorough response. I really enjoyed reading your piece 
> on SDQ and the linked data market. I liked how you alluded to the tag 
> foundation being essentially human based. It's fascinating to learn 
> how largely unstructured data currently is over the web. I'm 
> wondering, how long do you think it will take before we see the linked 
> web W3 envisions?
Now!

Yahoo!  (already) and Google (assume a response to Yahoo!). By this I 
mean HTML+RDFa based resources are gradually becoming easier to find 
relative to traditional  SEO optimized pages.

>
> I'll look forward to meeting you on Tuesday and delivering a solid 
> presentation.
Ditto.

Kingsley
>
> Best,
> Sean
>
>
> On Oct 9, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>
>> Sean O'Connor wrote:
>>> Good Morning Kinsley,
>>>
>>> I won't be able to throughly explain the semantic options you've 
>>> provided, but I can certainly try.
>> Don't worry about that :-)
>>
>> You present what you have and how you would like to evolve it etc..
>>> One major adjustment we can make on Ratingworld would be to 
>>> incorporate some RDF into our code as recommended by W3C. In that 
>>> scenario, it seems we could enable sites like the linked movie 
>>> database and DBpedia to pull data and ratings from our site 
>>> seamlessly. It could work vice-versa too. With those adjustments our 
>>> site map <http://www.rating...;­ would offer 
>>> practical routes to our data. At the same time, it seems we would 
>>> also have to go open source.
>> You simply need to add links to these things via @href, as first 
>> step. Ultimately, you can just use RDFa to make richer metadata i.e. 
>> additional descriptive granularity about a page.
>> Example:
>> This page is about <DBpedia-URI-of-s­ome-Movie>.
>> The primary topic of this page is: <DBpedia-URI-of-s­ome-Movie>
>>
>> In <head/> you can use <xlink/> and @rel="dc:source" to also point to 
>> DBpedia URIs used in the page.
>>
>> The above hooks you into the Web of Linked Data without much work :-)
>>>
>>> As far as embedding N3, I can't say much but would love to get a 
>>> discussion going.
>> HTML + RDFa has a lower activation threshold esp. as you already know 
>> how to generate and publish HTML.
>>> Just from doing initial research it's seems that rich lookups, or 
>>> searching, is going to be the greatest strength offered by the 
>>> semantic web.
>> Making the pages in your site self contained Linked Data Spaces. 
>> Ditto your entire site, it becomes a Container of N number of Linked 
>> Data spaces :-)
>>
>>> In fact, just thinking about what will be possible makes Google seem 
>>> archaic.
>> Yes, SEO is on the down swing while SDQ [1] is on the up.
>>> However, I do think that creating a practical use for these linked 
>>> data spaces continues to be a challenge. Which is something else I'd 
>>> like to discuss.
>> My recipe above will get you started. You just want to add your data 
>> space to the burgeoning collection of Linked Data Spaces on the Web.
>>>
>>> If I will be presenting, for how long will I have on Tuesday? Also, 
>>> will there be a projector I can jack my laptop into? Look forward to 
>>> hearing back from you.
>> There will be a projector, typical time slot is 15 mins (depending on 
>> how many other presentations there are etc..).
>>
>> Links:
>>
>> 1. http://tr.im/vrnz­ - About SDQ (Serendipitous Discovery Quotient)
>> 2. http://www.ebusin...­ -- GoodRelations 
>> Vocabulary (nice collection of terms for describing WishLists and 
>> Offerings)
>>
>>
>>
>> Kingsley
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 8, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sean O'Connor wrote:
>>>>>­ Kingsley,
>>>>>­
>>>>>­ Thanks for the quick response. I am going to try to answer your 
>>>>>­ questions as best as possible. Currently we structure or data 
>>>>>­ using MYSQL, and we do use this structure to expose data. For 
>>>>>­ example, our homepage consists of various topics, and within those 
>>>>>­ topics the highest rated item is featured underneath. Those items 
>>>>>­ featured on the homepage are constantly subject to change based on 
>>>>>­ what becomes the highest rated in a given topic.
>>>>>­
>>>>>­ Of course, this structure provides a very basic way to expose 
>>>>>­ data. However, we are working on a new generation of the site 
>>>>>­ which will feature a much more dynamic data model. Which is one of 
>>>>>­ the reasons I'd like to present, I think it'd be great to explore 
>>>>>­ technology like the RDF data model and see if it could be applied 
>>>>>­ to a site like Ratingworld.
>>>> Okay, would be nice opportunity to explain options such as:
>>>>
>>>> 1. HTML with RDFa embedded
>>>> 2. Other RDF Data Model serialization formats
>>>> 3. Other Linked Data Spaces on the Web that provide rich lookups 
>>>> and data meshing (not mashing).
>>>>>­
>>>>>­ I will say that up until now we have not considered the RDF data 
>>>>>­ model, but it's mainly because I don't know much about it. Going 
>>>>>­ forward, I feel we can introduce many new ways for our users to 
>>>>>­ look at our data using MYSQL, but I also think we wouldn't be 
>>>>>­ tapping into our true potential. Forgive me if I sound ignorant, 
>>>>>­ the semantic web is a complex subject and I'm just getting into 
>>>>>­ it. Also, feel free to browse ratingworld to understand how we 
>>>>>­ expose on other pages aside from the homepage.
>>>> Yes, you can also produce RDF model Linked Data using RDBMS to RDF 
>>>> technologies [1].
>>>>
>>>> Links:
>>>>
>>>> 1. http://esw.w3.org...­
>>>> 2. http://esw.w3.org...­
>>>> 3. http://www.w3.org...­
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kingsley
>>>>>­
>>>>>­ Best,
>>>>>­ Sean
>>>>>­
>>>>>­
>>>>>­ On Oct 8, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>>>>>­
>>>>>­> Sean O'Connor wrote:
>>>>>­>> Hello Kingsley,
>>>>>­>> I'm available to present my project (http://ratingworl...­) if 
>>>>>­>> you feel it's relevant. It was developed using RoR, and while 
>>>>>­>> the fundamental frame work of the site is basic, we are striving 
>>>>>­>> to apply semantic web technology to it. Let me know your thoughts.
>>>>>­>>
>>>>>­>> Best,
>>>>>­>> Sean
>>>>>­>
>>>>>­> Sean,
>>>>>­>
>>>>>­> Are there plans to expose structured data from your data space?  
>>>>>­> If so, have you considered the RDF data model and existing 
>>>>>­> schemas/vocabularies­ for ratings oriented data?
>>>>>­>
>>>>>­> My questions don't validate or invalidate your desire to present, 
>>>>>­> just trying to establish some context :-)
>>>>>­>
>>>>>­> Kingsley
>>>>>­>>
>>>>>­>>
>>>>>­>> On Oct 8, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>>>>>­>>
>>>>>­>>> All,
>>>>>­>>>
>>>>>­>>>
>>>>>­>>> We are still looking for presenters re. next week's gathering.
>>>>>­>>>
>>>>>­>>> The Linked Data meme continues to increase in visibility and 
>>>>>­>>> adoption, so we should match this with talks and presentations 
>>>>>­>>> covering real-world usecases and challenges etc..
>>>>>­>>>
>>>>>­>>>
>>>>>­>>> We also have the rise of HTML + RDFa as a mechanism for 
>>>>>­>>> reducing the activation threshold re. Linked Data comprehension 
>>>>>­>>> and exploitation.
>>>>>­>>>
>>>>>­>>>
>>>>>­>>> Recent OWL2 and SKOS developments also provide relevant and 
>>>>>­>>> interesting areas for presentation coverage.
>>>>>­>>>
>>>>>­>>>
>>>>>­>>> Finally, we also have the U.S, UK, and Australian governments 
>>>>>­>>> making significant strides major producers of Linked Data as 
>>>>>­>>> basis for economic stimulation and the evolution of governments 
>>>>>­>>> into smart-ups that better serve their tax payers :-)
>>>>>­>>>
>>>>>­>>>
>>>>>­>>>
>>>>>­>>> Kingsley
>>>>>­>>>
>>>>>­>>>
>>>>>­>>>
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