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Re: [The-Chicago-Latino-Atheists-Meetup-Grou­p] Post Mayan Apocalypse Party 12/22 @7pm....hope as many of you can make it!

From: Daniel V.
Sent on: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:57 PM
In my opinion what I read in the blog is perfectly reasonable, and much the way I feel about Christmas (my favorite time of the year!) despite being atheist. Thanks for the share Regina.

Also, I must say I agree with Redag... you are aggressive in your criticisms, unreasonably and quite unnecessarily, in my opinion. Although I'd rather not discus that anyway because it really is pointless I'll say this: since you are aware of how aggressive your criticism can be you might try a less incisive way to express your opinions, maybe tone it down in the personal "attacks" (attack might be a bit of a strong word) and more to the point. After all, it does seem like you were expecting a response.

In any case, one thing I would like to share about the way I feel about atheism is my impression that more often than not atheists seem to focus on the antagonism with religion or similar views. I get it, much of what constitutes the present social contract is based on those type of views, but it's not like we are being hunted down, well, in some countries that might actually be true, but even if that's the case our priorities don't seem to focus on saving atheists around the world from injustice as much as they seem to be about opposing views that seem erroneous from our perspective. The world is changing, in my opinion, in favor of common sense. I think there are better battles to fight... global warming maybe?

Here's a question: why does creationism and/or intelligent design not make sense or are wrong, etc? and why does the big bang, evolution, quantum mechanics, etc., are supposed to be sensible? I mean, sure we all can read about science (notice I said "about") but do we really understand what we read? Let's think of the big bang: what do thermodynamics and say, quantum mechanics have to say about it and why do we trust the assumptions that result from them? I don't expect that suddenly everyone will drop their day job and become a nuclear engineer or a biochemist, but doesn't it seem more productive AND fun to actually spend our efforts trying to actually understand the things we "believe" in rather that spending our efforts trying to prove that other views don't make sense when most of those arguments have long been settled?

I hope to be able to attend future meetups, unfortunately (actually fortunately) my thesis project has taken off and requires most of my time but I'll try to make some room.

Cheers
Daniel Velazquez


On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Redag <[address removed]> wrote:
Thanks. Believe me, I know about CAPTCHAs and spam. Feel free to post it as a comment on your blog, though I fear I may not be able to actively follow up on such a conversation since several attempts indicate the CAPTCHA was too clever for me. ;) And thanks for not getting too defensive off the bat, I know I'm relatively aggressive in my criticisms.


On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Regina Rodriguez-Martin <[address removed]> wrote:
Redag,
 
Thanks! Sorry about captcha. I dislike it, but without it I get spam on my blog. I"m happy to post this in my Comments for you.
 
Regina
 
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Chicana on the Edge

You can't cure families, you can only prevent them.




From: Redag <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Tue, December 11,[masked]:34:21 AM
Subject: Re: [The-Chicago-Latino-Atheists-Meetup-Group] Post Mayan Apocalypse Party 12/22 @7pm....hope as many of you can make it!

I think that blog entry is interesting, but deeply problematic. I was going to post the following comment, but your CAPTCHA choice is so robust that I cannot pass it.
---comment begins----

I support the right of atheists to partake of Christmas should they so desire. However, I resent and oppose policing them to share your particular attitudes towards it.

Moreover, using your own atheist identity to accuse them of tired old anti-atheist cliches is to turn yourself into a living weapon against them for no greater crime than asserting their rights. Quite alarming.

On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Regina Rodriguez-Martin <[address removed]> wrote:
I'm sorry I can't make the Meetup this weekend, but here's a post I just put up on why this atheist likes Christmas and isn't so worried about the separation of church and state: http://www.chicanaontheedge.blogspot.com/2012/12/atheist-in-support-of-christmas.html
 
Regina
 
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Chicana on the Edge

You can't cure families, you can only prevent them.




From: Jose Alvarado <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Tue, December 11,[masked]:54:07 AM
Subject: [The-Chicago-Latino-Atheists-Meetup-Group] Post Mayan Apocalypse Party 12/22 @7pm....hope as many of you can make it!

Would love to see some old faces as well as meet some new ones....hope you all can make it out. Please follow the link for more information:

http://www.meetup.com/secularevents/events/92914162/

 

Regards,

Jose Alvarado





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