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The Republic: Book 9 & 10, FEATURING: TYRANICAL MAN, special guest: The poets!

Books 9 & 10

 

Plato's "Republic": Book 9 & 10, FEATURING: THE TYRANICAL MAN + Special guest: THE POETS!!!

 

We will probably be outside.  If raining, find us upstairs

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  • Brian

    very good

    May 30, 2013

  • Brian

    For hegel, tragedy is a collision between two claims of justice. I think I can see how the democratic man leads to the tragic. The 'democratic' faces ambiguity in a world where anything can be described as another - he has no grounds for privileging his own claim to truth over anyone else's. Any claim he tries following through is eventually undermined. He finds himself homeless within the logos, essentially competitive, and left only to fight over terms.. which may be what leads to the tyrannical

    May 28, 2013

    • Brian

      What determines our understanding as monstrous or prudent depends on the clarity of our ends. The tyrannical soul is ignorant of his ends and so never obtains what it wants. To the tyrant, questioning is a gadfly. Whereas for the philosopher, the end of education is the good. In this light, his questioning is cheerful and divine. And the questions he asks are his own

      May 28, 2013

    • Sotirios (Sam) K.

      I'm not nearly as well versed in philosophy as the more learned members of the group, but one observation I have made over the years is that the tyrannical soul often does know it's ends with socking clarity. For them their ends are metaphysical in origin. A higher ideal that is essentially utopian in nature it becomes a twisted perception encapsulated in what is essentially a secular religion that defines good in ways that strain the definition beyond any reasonable conception of moral law. History is replete with such examples. In our recent past Hitler and Stalin come to mind. As practitioners of what Breshinski called the "meta myths that led to the mega-deaths" of the 20th century they knew their ends quite well. In my estimation they failed to obtain what they wanted because democratic man successfully opposed them by force of arms.

      Had it not we'd be speaking German or Russian at these social events. And a few of us, myself included, would not even be here.

      May 30, 2013

  • Sotirios (Sam) K.

    Arrrgh !!! Wish I could go to this one as The Republic is one of my favorite works of political philosophy. But I'm moving to a new place this week and Wednesday is a bad time. Actually most of this week is a bad time living among boxes and packing tape. Next time will definitely be looking better.

    Is the Bourgeois Pig Cafe the usual haunt ? Never been there but the name makes me want to go. Nice to be at a place that describes my social stereotype =)

    May 28, 2013

    • Brian

      Hi Sam, BPig is the usual haunt for Wednesdays, at least. we'll catch you next time!

      May 28, 2013

    • Sotirios (Sam) K.

      Thanks Brian ! I'll see if I can make it on Tuesday for the get together and discussion on the Screwtape Letters. No guarantees. Moving is a huge pain in the ass.

      May 30, 2013

  • Renée

    Wish I could make itbut getting ready for my birthday trip to San Francisco

    May 28, 2013

  • Mike B.

    I hope I didn't miss too much.

    May 24, 2013

  • Brian

    Seeing how these 2 chapters relate will be interesting. Although I'm sure we can see a connection in move from tyranny to the tragedians

    May 23, 2013

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