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Plato's "Apology of Socrates"

The Apology features a most passionate Socrates defending the very ideas he lived and died for.

Unlike other dialogues, Socrates addresses himself to the polis itself.  In a combative arena, given the particular charges, can Socrates reasonably expect to convince the jury by force of argument alone?  Was Socrates trying to get himself acquitted?  Or is Plato presenting him as a new type of warrior, the New Achilles for a more enlightened age.  In any case, for Socrates disgrace is certainly worse than death

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  • Brian

    Did you guys try a squaring Socratic 'ignorance' with the fact that he so often encourages following after virtue? The former is his defense. The latter is (closer) to what got him killed. How are both true and what paradox does this place us in? Since I missed this meetup, I have a thought on this: The Apology is the dialogue in which the interlocutor is the polis. Perhaps then we can understand the Apology by analogy to other dialogues with interlocutors? EG., The Apology may be moving with respect to the Athenians, as the Meno moved with respect to meno: First you try to get virtue based on knowledge, and when that fails turn to exhortation.
    What do we do with this?

    December 26, 2013

    • Brian

      I should've said "Socrates may have been moving with respect to the Athenians"

      December 26, 2013

  • Mike B.

    Last night I half-remembered something about "mime" and Socratic dialogue. Today I was able to track that something a little further: Supposedly Aristotle attributed some connection between Socratic dialogues and the mimes written by a Sicilian by the name of Sophron. Recall Aristotle's mimesis. Sophron's mimes were imitations of low characters and were thought to be allied with comedy. Anyone interested in genre studies should probably consult The Socratic Movement, written by a Dutchman, I believe.

    1 · December 22, 2013

  • Martinez B.

    Sorry I won't be able to make it. I volunteer this evening at the local soup kitchen and I forgot I invited my fellow volunteers to my house for a holiday gathering. oops! I see you guys on the next one. Barbie's apology! ;)

    December 21, 2013

  • Dan

    Looks like the group will be hitting a milestone with this meetup.

    1 · December 20, 2013

  • Chad B.

    Coy vs Iowa, in which Scalia cites the Bible and Shakespeare in support of the Confrontation Clause:

    December 21, 2013

  • Brian

    I will be in Denver, and didn't realize it till now =/ Sad to miss Plato

    December 17, 2013

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