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Plato's Cratylus ~ AT THE BEACH~

**AFTER MEETING AT EVA'S LET'S WALK OVER TO A SECLUDED PART OF THE BEACH, JUST OVER THE WATER.  IF LATE, TEXT[masked]-4648.  CONSIDER BLANKETS ETC.  CHEERS - Brian***

Plato's Cratylus is a dialogue about knowing reality via  names.  Three interlocutors make very different contributions to the discussion.  First, Hermogenes defends the view that correctness in names is simply a matter of establishing linguistic conventions to use certain sounds to tag certain objects. Cratylus, on the other hand, subscribes to a naturalism wherein names are correct insofar as they reveal something about the natures of their bearers.

 When Socrates joins the conversation the questions shift radically while seeming to stake out a middle ground. What view, if any, does Socrates take on the connection between words and reality?

 This dialogue is challenging, sometimes wild, but ultimately very rewarding once we start to catch on to what Socrates might be up to.

 

We can expect a high level, energized discussion that makes reference to the reading and Platonic ideas.  Still,  the discussion should be relevant to all members due to the (universal) subject matter and dialogue format of the reading. 

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  • Mike B.

    Brian, I just Googled Alfred Caldwell and found a whole fecal-load. I happened to have worked with Caldwell at IIT and the quality I found most amazing in him was his never-tiring curiosity, his real listening skills by which he got you to share your thoughts, and his seeming absence of ego.

    1 · June 8, 2014

  • Mike B.

    Brian, the Lily Pond itself is one of the achievements of a local professor and deserves visiting

    1 · June 8, 2014

  • Nisha V.

    I thought the beach was good - but I think we would have all enjoyed it more if the weather would have been warmer. I have never been to the Lily pond.

    1 · June 8, 2014

  • Mike B.

    The beach was a nice change of pace. Brian, you should schedule these more often.

    June 8, 2014

    • Brian

      Ok, one suggestion was the Lily Pond by fullerton beach

      June 8, 2014

    • Brian

      Anyone have thoughts on the Lily Pond?

      June 8, 2014

  • Mike B.

    I had thought that the entire dialogue was meant to be read as a satire: analysis by division and subdivision (words, syllables, letters) is mistaken, for meaning itself requires putting words together, to say something. "Cup." What does it mean? To answer the question requires at least a sentence.

    June 7, 2014

  • Brian

    What did you all think about sitting outside? Do you prefer Eva's or have suggestions for some place better?

    June 7, 2014

  • Isabella

    Socrates seems to be taking and artful/demiurgic approach to naming, inclusive of both points of view.

    June 7, 2014

    • Erik C.

      I think relating the demiurge will be helpful. Thanks

      June 7, 2014

  • Elizabeth L.

    Where exactly are we meeting at the beach?

    June 7, 2014

    • Elizabeth L.

      Oh, wait, I can read. Meeting at Eva's first.

      June 7, 2014

  • Brian

    Okay, if you're *really* worried about not having read I suggest focusing on the first section..then skim some of the etymologies till you get to the discussion with Cratylus. Those parts are more philosophical. Cya soon

    June 6, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    On waitlist, will need to leave in an hour to arrive timely. I love tying gray matter into knots with ubiquitous natural sensory stimulus adding to the ideas being tossed about!

    June 6, 2014

    • Imran M.

      Hey, Lynne - please note the meetup is tomorrow, not today.

      1 · June 6, 2014

  • Nisha V.

    Are most people bringing blankets or chairs?

    June 6, 2014

    • Brian

      I can bring 1, maybe 2 chairs if I have

      June 6, 2014

  • Brian

    First stab(from the beginning section): it seems Soc is illustrating the importance of making names with a view to himself as the user, rather than simply using names as made by convention. If the user is also dialectician, then he becomes also a maker. Socrates is great at this and indeed inspired but is unsure if his results are the kind that will "hold till the very end". So while he is a kind of self-legislator, he perhaps shouldn't (As Euthyphro) go on legislating with others by this method

    June 4, 2014

    • Brian

      Socrates uses words like serving trays, dishing out whatever best his consciousness achieves. He conjures up entirely new significances and sends them off upon common words.

      June 5, 2014

  • Josefina

    I was thinking about Marklars last marklar while reading this marklar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzq4YDt7V-o

    June 4, 2014

  • Imran M.

    Did we still want to walk to the beach for this, or are we only doing that for Bergson?

    June 1, 2014

    • Brian

      Forecast is High of 63 - sounds temperate

      June 1, 2014

    • Imran M.

      It is intense and a bit colder, but I had this image in my head of looking off across the lake and clouds and feeling inspired to give names to nature. I got my heart set on that.

      1 · June 1, 2014

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