Death

This meetup is a frank discussion, intended to be open and personal, about what we make of the fact that each of us is going to die.  What fears and hopes does this thought light in us?  How does and should it affect our lives?

References to some philosophical treatments of death are likely to come up, such as Plato's Phaedo, parts of Aristotle's De Anima, parts of Nietzsche's The Gay Science, and parts of Heidegger's Being and Time. But we'll discuss these only insofar as they relate to our own direct thinking about death.  Though philosophical, the discussion will not be primarily academic or interpretive.

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  • Ann F.

    Dan - you'll be there?

    3 · July 13

    • Ann F.

      Imran and Erik - any leftovers? Thanks!

      July 30

    • Jenny T.

      I will be sure to order more magically filling pizza next time.

      July 30

  • blakeArt

    Hey I can't make it - so next up on the wait list, feel free..! Btw, there is no 'death' per se. IMO. Have phun.

    1 · July 19

    • Imran M.

      In Daoism, "hun" is the spiritual personal aspect which separates from the "po," the earthly personal aspect, on dying. To have "phun" would then be to have guided the "hun" back to "po" on its afterlife journey through ritual :)

      1 · July 19

    • Ann F.

      See you next week, Blake.

      July 20

    • Imran M.

      But two weeks ago you told me to have cold sexual relationships and love no one!

      1 · July 20

    • Jenny T.

      You can have an altruistic loving platonic relationship with many while also having cold sex with many:)

      1 · July 20

  • Brian

    #death/becker: “It is under all circumstances an advantage to be in full possession of one's personality, otherwise the repressed elements will only crop up as a hindrance elsewhere, not just at some unimportant point, but at the very spot where we are most sensitive. If people can be educated to see the shadow-side of their nature clearly, it may be hoped that they will also learn to understand and love their fellow men better. A little less hypocrisy and a little more self-knowledge can only have good results in respect for our neighbor; for we are all too prone to transfer to our fellows the injustice and violence we inflict upon our own natures.” - Jung

    3 · July 20

    • Imran M.

      I was surprised to learn yesterday that confronting your shadow side makes you want to make other people drink more hot sauce. Maybe those people were just going through the first stages of fully dealing with their shadow sides.

      1 · July 20

    • Brian

      Yes, I think they were purging an unwelcomed confrontation

      July 20

  • Rey L.

    Link to Miguel de Unamuno's Tragic Sense of Life-- http://archive.org/stream/tragicsenseoflif14636gut/14636.txt

    Recall the _Phaedo_ of Plato and the neo-platonic lucubrations. In them the yearning for personal immortality already shows itself--a yearning which, as it was left totally unsatisfied by reason, produced the Hellenic pessimism...Nirvana is an Hellenic idea. Thus Jews and Greeks each arrived independently at the real discovery of death--a discovery which occasions, in peoples as in men, the entrance into spiritual puberty, the realization of the tragic sense of life, and it is then that the living God is begotten by humanity.

    3 · July 20

    • Imran M.

      That was something I was trying to get more thought on last night: whether contemplating death is ultimately positive because it's "spiritually maturing." If we take the concept seriously, that maturity would be the most valuable thing we could gain in life.

      2 · July 20

  • eric

    "The opposite of life is not death. The opposite of death is birth. Life has no opposite."

    3 · July 16

    • Adam

      As a guy who believes in the possibility of philosophical zombies, I have to grant the possibility of temporary oblivion for a particular organism. But I think I'm on the wrong track trying to interpret this point?

      July 16

    • eric

      Non-duality is posited in 2 broad ways as’ not-two’ and ‘not-two and not-one’. The not-two’s monist principles are mind, consciousness, Brahma, etc. Tolle in the statement uses’ life’ to resolve birth and death. So all dualities are resolved or negated into the monist principle. So (the idea of) oblivion resides within life as there is nothing “outside” of life. Everything you experience, know, think, postulate, consume, are aware of, dream, fantasize about, etc., etc.,… is in life. Life can be seen to “contain” all dualities but is not-dualistic…life has no opposite. So you might disagree but all your disagreements and replies will occur within and resolve themselves in life. Aren't your disagreements and the feelings around them right now as you read this starting to resolve into this greater totality called life…if not…give it a few minutes. :-)

      July 17

  • Imran M.

    Everyone, please keep your RSVP updated for this. Being a no-show will deny a willing participant from the wait list a space, and may affect your own ability to RSVP to future meetups.

    3 · July 14

    • Ann F.

      Imran - thank you so much.

      July 16

    • Adam

      Bah! I just put two & two together. I've got to go to a wedding Saturday. I'm terribly disappointed to miss this. This is one that I really looked forward to.

      July 16

  • Chad B.

    Putting the world back into rational perspective: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftiIPJky_Vs

    3 · July 14

    • Imran M.

      "Death - who thinks of such nonsense? Now, I'm alive. When I'm dead, I'll be dead!"

      July 14

  • Jenny T.

    Does this meetup need chili peppers like the sexual ethics one? o.O

    July 7

    • Rey L.

      lol

      July 11

    • Chad B.

      Although no reading is assigned, please come to this meetup prepared to die.

      3 · July 14

  • Josefina

    Death is playing this Sunday at West Fest.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl3FstCc_OY

    1 · July 11

  • Brian

    Il be there afterall. Sweet

    2 · July 7

    • Imran M.

      "Most common moral positions justify and cloak [the] fear of death. And like any traditional authority, time has gathered a whole system of rituals, conventions, and customs to maintain its authority and power as unquestionable, inevitable, and fated; fear of death as the true, the good, and the beautiful. For most people, fear of death is the unquestionable master that establishes all other hierarchies — both social hierarchies, and the hierarchies within one’s own mind. Most are humbly grateful for the very privilege of obedience and do not want to be free."

      June 19

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