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EQUALITY -- Is it an ideal or merely an idea?

  • Aug 25, 2013 · 3:00 PM
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PLEASE NOTE

 

CHANGE OF VENUE TO THE SUPREME COURT.

 

NO BETTER PLACE.

 

If this is an inconvenience to you I apologize but it should be a beautiful day.

We will meet exactly here at 3:00 PM.

Right in front of the Supreme Court,

 

You will need to look up any map you might need as I have tried repeatedly and cannot paste a reasonable link to a map here.

 

If you are where you think you should be and do not see us call me at[masked]-1010.

 

 

Steve

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • A former member
    A former member

    What I learned at today's meetup is that starting from the root of our being, all people are equal until we start assigning societal norms on them. Is a poor man equal to a rich man? The movie "The Intouchables" answers this question. The movie is inspired by the true story of Phillippe, French quadriplegic millionaire and his French-Algerian caregiver Abdel. The wheelchair bound Phillippe decides to hire Abdel, an out of work young man of the streets with no caregiver experience, simply because Abdel treats him like an equal. In that sense, Equality is an ideal - something that society should strive for. But in another sense, until we can remove our lenses, colored by the norms of society, equality remains an idea -food for thought.

    2 · August 25, 2013

    • Steven

      “Equality may perhaps be a right, but no power on earth can ever turn it into a fact.” ― Honoré de Balzac

      August 26, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      Sam, I understand why you still do not have an answer. When I say that equality is ideal at the root our being and then say that equality is merely an idea in society, I can hear the struggle in my head on giving a definitive answer to the topic question. My first point, equality at the root of our being is an ideal, is very debatable. Just as I feel that no one can prove that we are not equal at our root, I can't prove that we are. We might even have to debate the meaning of "root." What I got out of yesterday, is "equality" takes on different meanings to different people; therefore, reaching "equality" in society is merely an idea. We could never agree when we reached "equality." For me personally, I learned a life lesson on how I feel that I should see other people.

      1 · August 26, 2013

  • Steven

    I left my write up on equality in files under more above.

    August 26, 2013

  • Steven

    If no one weighs in on the next discussion it will be organizer choice and right now I am thinking we should consider our discussion as to aptitudes between the genders? I will doing a little research on this today and decide on our topic if no one offers a better topic by COB today.

    August 26, 2013

    • Steven

      The point is less to answer the question of the attributes between the genders then it is the method that we approach our understanding of reality. But I may be mistaken in my impression our world is ripe with falsehoods.

      August 26, 2013

    • Steven

      Picking a sensitive topic cracks the nut so to speak because you can more readily identify emotions that are inflamed. That way by contrast you can then identify the non-emotional side otherwise known as reason or the truth. Maybe we should mark this one rated R or something. Do not come if you can't handle the truth.

      August 26, 2013

  • Steven

    Here is where you can continue the conversation or learn Aristotle's Topics. This is my own group on LinkedIn so you can come in and start a discussion group on like education and philosophy or anything you like.

    And of course I have the ongoing study of Aristotle and even started a discussion myself of Popper, which has barely gotten off the ground so could use a Popper fan.

    http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Vice-Verse-5048944?trk=my_groups-b-grp-v

    August 25, 2013

  • Steven

    How about for those that attended we get a couple of suggestions for our next discussion?

    Ok, Ok I got it, inside!

    August 25, 2013

  • Steven

    My goal was to challenge everyone's thinking and to offer a couple of new perspectives. I truly hope I did not offend anyone in the process.

    I think we could return to that issue as for as complex as it is and for as inconclusive as our discussion was even insomuch as the definition of equality it is nonetheless an obligation of each of us to indeed talk about such things because we do know this is a real problem.

    I hope I made it all a little more real today.

    Thank you.

    August 25, 2013

  • Everett

    Just posted something on the message board about the gender gap in mathematics, FYI.

    1 · August 25, 2013

  • Steven

    I am going downtown early tomorrow so will not get emails etc. Hope to see you there a text is probably best[masked]

    August 24, 2013

  • Steven

    FUN ALERT

    It is supposed to real nice Sunday and I think it would be good to meet on this outside somewhere appropriate such as on the marble benches in front of the Supreme Court?

    We will try to encourage others there from other countries to join our discussion.

    I need to hear from someone here but I want to change it. So you have to bring water but if the sun is fierce there is a lot of shade within an easy walk from there.

    August 22, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      I will not be attending this meetup due to the venue change. I look forward to future meetings at Kogod.

      August 24, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Unfortunately I can't attend that day, but the venue is very inspired. Equality as a concept, of course, makes no sense at all since no one is "equal" to anyone else--but the vision of our founding fathers was about having the opportunity to worship as we chose--i.e., that everyone would have the same opportunity to pursue their own vision of morality, heaven, ritual, etc. Consider that when George Washington was chosen to lead our country, his contemporaries played around with the idea of calling him a king until they hit on the term "President." So at least historically, the idea of one person having the divine right to govern others was thoughtfully rejected at the start of our nation--very radical and innovative for that time! An interesting question is what does equality mean today?

    August 23, 2013

  • Steven

    This is full metal jacket of Philosophy this is exactly how Aristotle did it, they walked and talked.

    Imagine that the solution to the healthcare, energy, animosity crises and so much more, just walk and talk. I am hoping everyone?

    August 22, 2013

  • Steven

    And I think I will hike the hour before that up to the Supreme court so you have an option to join me and we will read Sun Tzu and discuss his verse as we go.

    I get someone to sign up it will be easy to pick a spot to hike from.

    August 22, 2013

  • Jeffrey

    I was planning on being fairly specific in my intro.

    1) Equality under the law
    2) Equality of opportunity
    3) Equality of condition Once we define each one with some care then the advantages/disadvantages of each one can be discussed concentrating, of course, on equality of opportunity and condition.

    August 21, 2013

  • Steven

    I think there can be a million perspectives on equality so I think we should narrow it down a bit to either justice, legal, business or whatever.

    That should be the first order of business so if you want to decide that now we can cover more ground then.

    My contribution is equality of consciousness.

    August 21, 2013

  • Steven

    I'm anxious to get feedback from the membership so you may have seen the poll but out of over 700 people only 13 have responded.

    I think it reasonable to require you take the poll as a condition to attend this discussion on equality so I would expect the responses to rise to at least 22.

    Thank you.

    http://www.meetup.com/The-DC-Philosophy-Cafe/polls/886632/

    August 17, 2013

  • Steven

    If you wish to write something the link below is the best place to do it so people do not get endless emails. By the way you should know turning off the email stream is easy. Just go your account then email and notifications and click on email notification to the right of your group and it then gives you a lot of choices on emails.

    But again here is the place to star this conversation early.

    http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Equality-is-it-ideal-idea-5048944.S.265611290

    August 13, 2013

  • Steven

    Should we warm up here?

    Without trying to define it technically can some of you offer what 'equality" means to you? I feel certain everyone has an emotional relationship with equality so can we hear some heart felt expressions of that relationship?

    And let us just suppose that as expressed everything you say is deemed true because it is how you feel.

    So someone feeling differently what it means does not negate the former but is merely a different perspective.

    I think that goes without saying but I felt like saying it :)

    August 13, 2013

  • Sheila

    Interesting topic. See you there.
    Sheila

    1 · August 13, 2013

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