A debate

  • October 20, 2013 · 3:00 PM
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We all yell at our TVs, we argue with our family and friends and seldom do we get anyone to admit we won anything.

This meetup will be the first of a series on debating.  Sign up here to get your persuasion hat on as you may have to stand and state your position allowing others to judge the soundness of your argument.

We will be putting together topic and rules over the next week but we are looking for someone that wants to develop your ability to win a debate.

Steve

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  • Steven

    Not sure the variety of philosophy would not want to uncover truth and I say this video offers a fault line at the crux of reality and illusion.

    http://www.linkedin.com/groups/I-have-never-found-Ted-5048944.S.5798407662022447108?qid=d982ed0c-bf0b-4166-b619-2b6ff55771f1&trk=groups_most_popular-0-b-ttl&goback=%2Egmp_5048944


    I would be elated to be established incorrect.

    October 24, 2013

  • Steven

    I think the Ted video is excellent to explore where reason and logic extend to rhetoric. I have set up this discussion and asked a couple of questions regarding what this speaker says. I would love to discover my initial impression is wrong.

    http://www.linkedin.com/groups/I-have-never-found-Ted-5048944.S.5798407662022447108?qid=e65982d1-6caf-4e1a-83fa-342dfdd26028&trk=groups_most_recent-0-b-ttl&goback=%2Egmr_5048944

    October 22, 2013

  • Kurt

    Here is the video I mentioned during our discussion today. Very insightful stuff. http://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind.html

    October 20, 2013

    • Steven

      He did not cast conservative thought in a derogatory manner when he invoked laughter from the crowd with his graphics of Jesusland etc? You think he does not create a bias in the mind as stating the flawed studies suggesting Liberals are more open minded? As I stated in my imagined teenage experience of showing up at a wake in a clown outfit the context matters. Certainly he says that in the end but along the way his perspective is entirely biased.

      October 22, 2013

    • Steven

      This is clearly technique of rhetoric by resting his argument on the credibility of an opposing view. By discrediting that view he creates an illusion his position is thereby credible. Practically every assertion he makes is not grounded in reason but mis-reason. I would be happy to lay that all out but not here disturbing everyone with contact update feeds but rather here. http://www.linkedin.c...­ It will be a good exercise to step through the arguments of this speaker examining each from a philosophic perspective.

      October 22, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    What's the debate topic today ?

    October 20, 2013

    • Steven

      We are going to practice the art of debate or dialectic. To do so in a reasoned way either to persuade or to discover a truth. So the topic is "debate"

      1 · October 20, 2013

  • Angelia

    had something come up will be at next event

    October 17, 2013

  • Steven

    It is Wednesday and the odds are good the Museum will continue to be closed so we need to find an alternate location. Unfortunately I have tried this a number of times only to pick locations that are either too loud, too crowded or just not suitable.

    So I will leave it to another here to determine an appropriate place where we can meet with some room, some quiet and maybe some drinks? Barring that I will be forced to cancel this meetup and re-schedule this practice in the fine art of dialectic.

    My apologies for my inability to do so such a simple thing as find a suitable place.

    October 16, 2013

    • A former member
      A former member

      Looks like the location doesn't have to be changed! :)

      1 · October 16, 2013

    • Steven

      Haven't had this feeling since Mom announced I wasn't sick anymore so could return to school :(

      2 · October 17, 2013

  • James W.

    Haven't attended in a while; we will likely just watch this one in preparation for the next.

    October 14, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Would love to come, but am out of town

    October 14, 2013

  • Steven

    An update -- this will not be a contentious thing and I have been working away on format. Here is a little poem I think sums of the perspective of my approach.

    WHY DEBATE?
    Aristotle would rather it be dialectic
    From premise major and minor conclusions expected
    Conclusions are far different as popular today
    Rather only to win no matter performance or way
    But such a win is fleeting in its endurance
    Oft forgot with the most minor next occurrence
    But what could last a life time indeed?
    To reason a win for all rather than one greed

    October 12, 2013

  • Paul

    For those of you that are attending, Schopenhauer's "The Art of Controversy" might be of interest, particularly his stratagems.

    http://www2.hn.psu.edu/faculty/jmanis/schopenhauer/schopenhauer-5.pdf

    As you might expect from Herr Schopenhauer, it is quite cynical.

    1 · October 7, 2013

    • Steven

      Paul I think we should use this in this debate meeting? My thinking is we do some mock debates walking through some of Schopenhauer's dialectic examples and get familiar with the direct and indirect refutations etc. Whatcha think can you lend a hand in picking some examples in this work?

      October 7, 2013

  • Steven

    I will include you on the list for comment when I send the first draft probably this Monday. I am a bit absorbed in the Aesthetic at the moment.

    October 4, 2013

  • Tristan A.

    So I have formal debate training, I would love to help out in whatever way I can.

    1 · September 22, 2013

    • Steven

      Tristan I plan on drawing on your experience. I will be working up some guidelines and will be forwarding to you for comment. If you have something I might use in developing a draft please send to [masked].

      September 25, 2013

    • Mehdi E.

      I have some competitive debate experience as well, would be happy to help if you'd like an additional source of input

      1 · October 4, 2013

  • Ahmed B.

    First time in this forum. Are you guys taking suggestions for topics? :-)

    September 29, 2013

  • Steven

    Kendel this is the regular time but I hope to have more formal study workshops and practices in future weekday evenings. We will study the classics along with modern public speaking artists such as Steve Jobs.

    1 · September 22, 2013

  • Kendel C.

    It has always been one of my goals to formally learn debate. This is ideal! Is is possible to change the time? My religious services are 3-6pm each Sunday.

    September 22, 2013

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