THANKSGIVING EDITION us vs them

  • November 17, 2013 · 3:00 PM
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When we give thanks we give thanks for those we care about.  In this discussion we will discuss if the circle of people we give thanks to is growing wider or smaller?

If America is becoming divided then let us examine why it is we divide ourselves and half our own power?  This could not possibly be based on reason and logic from the people.

We will consider what this strategic division affects together with considering seats of power.

Like many of our novel discussion topics this one will evolve in its considerations up until the meetup.

 

 

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  • Steven

    Regarding my overview of the economy the evidence of my position is supported on a current and pervasive manner.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2013/11/18/in-many-states-the-recovery-is-worsening-the-income-gap/

    This perhaps gives a clue as to why my economic analysis was not a diversion from the subject but rather evidence of it, us versus them.

    If you think things are better then they were before then I doubt I will change a single mind in which case you might want to consider why your mind is so unchangeable?

    November 18, 2013

  • Janet

    Yikes! I know about Marx and a little about Plato. The other names elude me. Please forgive me if I only listen this first time!

    November 7, 2013

    • Janet

      Thank you for the encouragement:)

      November 9, 2013

    • Steven

      Sam is correct and if you are reluctant to speak then that will be my flaw not yours.

      November 11, 2013

  • Steven

    What I propose this Sunday when we sit down to consider these things is not to quote Plato, Marx, Hamilton or anyone else but to rely on our intellect in discussing how we would have things.

    It doesn't matter what they would have you or I do except to the extent we draw ideas from them. They are long since dead and if we are uncertain of something they said any speculation about what they meant is no better than our own ideas.

    Let's follow the Latin phrase below and leave ideology, loyalty and preconceived notions at the front desk and imagine being responsible for developing a world from chiseled rough plank tables to the fine marble structure we will be meeting in? Could we do as well, I think so :)

    1 · November 11, 2013

  • Paul

    Here is an interesting review of the book Moral Tribes by Jonathan Greene. This book attempts to describe our moral development by appeal to empirical moral psychology and suggest how our moral thinking should advance in light of these scientific findings.

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115279/joshua-greenes-moral-tribes-reviewed-thomas-nagel

    The reviewer, Thomas Nagel, is one of the pillars of modern day philosophy, and is best known for his seminal article "What Is It Like To Be A Bat?" in philosophy of mind.

    I bring your attention to this article due to Greene's idea that we have evolved to perhaps subsume our personal benefit for the benefit of our particular group, but have not evolved to subsume our group's interest for the benefit of another group. In other words, "Me" might lose to "Us", but not "Us" to "Them." This is a possible explanation for a certain degree of class warfare as our own country grows increasingly fractured.

    November 6, 2013

    • Janet

      I've been challenged with the very same "trolly" dilemma before, and I said "push the man". However, realizing I would charged with murder, I wouldn't do it. Interesting, if it were TWO lives and one was mine......I would fail to act in the interest of the greater good.

      November 7, 2013

    • Paul

      So your ethical decision is predicated on whether or not you would be subject to discipline?

      November 7, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Yesterday's meetup was great! Wish I could attend this one, but something came up :( Have fun all, and Happy Thanksgiving!

    November 4, 2013

  • Paul

    I think that an examination of a few forms of power structures is instructive. The psychoanalyst Jacques Lacan signified four in his analysis. This blog post is an excellent outline:

    http://pablobenavides2.blogspot.com/2009/10/lacan-four-discourses-bruce-fink.html

    Think about these frameworks and apply them to our everyday institutions. The legal system, for example, is an excellent example of the Master's Discourse.

    November 3, 2013

  • Steven

    I think we start with a division of those that rule and those that are ruled? Marxian perhaps but keeps things simple.

    November 2, 2013

    • Steven

      The group may decide that is included in the ruling side. We may then decide by so many rulers we look very much like sheep?

      1 · November 3, 2013

    • Steven

      You comment confirms the need for this discussion. I know a little of you Sam and I know you to be a person that has shed yourself of many things that capture your mind to persuade you beyond your natural free will. But I would call you an exception not the rule :)

      November 3, 2013

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