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MORAL HAZARDS

What is moral?

Cheating on your taxes

That drawer full of company pens?

Dad getting too friendly?

Depending on what everyone wants to do we will spend 20 or 30 minutes on impossible moral dilemmas from those that RSVP.  Not everyone needs to contribute but we need at least 3 contributing.  After we discuss the moral dilemmas, we will vote on who had the best moral hazard for honors and you will receive the Philosophy Café signs which are suitable for framing.

 

Our regular discussion ends at 5:00 then we are going over to Hill Country a few blocks away for bag paper BBQ and beer.  They have plenty for those on a Vegan diet other than water.

http://www.hillcountryny.com/locations

This is intended to be more fun than serious.

 

 

 

 

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  • Steven

    Just a follow-up on the importance of the background numbers of any issue. Here are links to natural gas consumption, list by average income and total GDP. The Ukraine is 5 countries behind China and if you do the match essentially appears to spend their entire GNP on natural gas.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_natural_gas_consumption
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GNI_(PPP)_per_capita
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

    1 · March 11, 2014

    • Steven

      I don't mean to suggest the above numbers are the answer but they are important to understand when the politicians tell of all the humanitarian efforts they are putting forth. If they were honest I think we might hear of these side benefits to our economy? I will look into sch the movie later today.

      1 · March 12, 2014

    • Laura

      It would be lovely if we could schedule it for next week -- I won't be able to attend this week. If not, no worries -- I'll see y'all at the next meeting. Thanks for organizing this!!

      1 · March 12, 2014

  • Steven

    However I note when I brought of the issue of Hilary, the philosophers seemed to leave the room. One said no morality involved, another you have to consider the circumstances, another was to blame Bill not one person answered the question of what was the morality involved, we did not speak of it although that was my question. It was the best example I could think of, of a tangle of moralities but we could not move that forward due to loyalty.

    March 10, 2014

    • Steven

      I would love to and just ask everyone keep an open mind. But that means we can accept we are wrong. I personally would love to find out I am wrong in this. Pointing these things out is not exactly on Dale Carnegies list of making friends but it is on Socrates.

      March 10, 2014

    • Steven

      People are confused when they think a prejudice is a bad and loyalty is good. These two things are on the same side of the fence.

      1 · March 10, 2014

  • Laura

    Thanks to every one for a stimulating conversation, and many thanks to Steven for organizing and leading the discussion. I had a great time!

    March 9, 2014

    • Steven

      I agree but hopefully you can step back a bit and perhaps see the discussion changed from a clinical examination to an emotional defense. And I admit this was purposeful to test my fellow philosophers. Next time please feel free to test my resolve at my objective perspective. I am not that now but strive to be.

      March 10, 2014

    • Laura

      As (aspiring) philosophers, we should strive to be aware of our emotional baggage, so that we can tackle emotionally-charged questions in a way that is as objective as possible. But as I write this, I ask myself: what is objective? Here we go again...

      March 10, 2014

  • Steven

    AN UPDATE. We will meet at 3:00 today as planned. Please make sure you clock has been set forward.

    Steve[masked]

    March 9, 2014

  • Steven

    Ok for this meetup I plan on giving a presentation to frame up how philosophers consider morality. The purpose will be to know which perspective you possess more of when we consider some juicy moral dilemmas.

    March 8, 2014

  • Laura

    In the poll it's not possible to select more than one option...

    March 8, 2014

    • Steven

      My apologies I thought you could. We are limited by that but I now have your suggestions for topics and they are in the queue.

      March 8, 2014

    • Laura

      no need to apologize! I just wanted to make sure you knew. :-)

      1 · March 8, 2014

  • Laura

    any cell phone I can call if I don't find you?
    Thanks!!

    March 7, 2014

    • Steven

      of course Laura, mine is[masked]-1010. We usually try to sit behind the large planter that is diagonally opposite the museum café corner. Also note the metro stop directly below is Chinatown on the metro red line, which seems to be often under repair these days. Parking can be near impossible on the street and you might have to park 3 to 5 blocks away or pay for garage parking closer.

      March 7, 2014

    • Laura

      Great! Thanks, Steven.

      March 7, 2014

  • Paul

    I will not be able to attend this one, guys - sorry about that. But I am sure that the conversation will be rollicking!

    March 7, 2014

    • Steven

      Your insights will be missed.

      March 7, 2014

  • Steven

    I do hope some of you have thought up some dandy moral dilemmas?

    Depending on the number that show we may break into smaller groups to have fun at perhaps Woody's expense while we consider our own morality.

    March 6, 2014

  • Paul

    Despite my general dislike of TED talks, this blog article is interesting, and the concept of genetically enhanced monkey-slaves is always a good one to ponder.

    http://blog.ted.com/2014/02/19/the-ethics-of-genetically-enhanced-monkey-slaves/

    1 · March 1, 2014

    • Steven

      This could be a game?

      March 1, 2014

    • Steven

      Could be called "trash the Ted talks." That would have to sharpen reasoning and rhetorical skill, wouldn't you think Paul?

      March 1, 2014

  • Curt

    Is our healthcare system a dangerous moral hazard in that the cost of poor health habits is borne largely by third parties (insurers and the government)? Does ObamaCare’s prohibition on charging more or denying coverage to those with preexisting conditions increase the moral hazard? How can the moral hazard be lessened while still making medical care available to the poor?

    February 17, 2014

    • A former member
      A former member

      In all financial services, the primary moral hazard is that the providers of the service will use their position to serve themselves. An example of this is the giving of AAA ratings to junk securities due to business tie-ins, or the medical insurance company refusing payment of valid claims for bogus reasons. So how do we address the principal moral hazard in health care without dealing with issues Obamacare does not address?

      February 26, 2014

    • Steven

      It seems to me there is truth in the expression that power corrupts, etc. so while the ACA was presumably based on moral fidelity it is hard to hard to imagine the result will be as this law gives enormous power to the few.

      February 26, 2014

  • Steven

    Some of you are not gonna like this but it should at a minimum provide some food for thought. There was an even more famous conversion of this sort in a guy named CS Lewis. I will look for the opposite direction.

    http://richardesimmons3.com/moral-confusion/

    February 25, 2014

    • Steven

      The flaw could be a focus on the flaws rather than the things we can benefit from. You know baby with the bath water kind of thing.

      February 25, 2014

    • Steven

      I do not think these are opposite sides of a coin as Simmons observes the Judeo Christian beliefs result in many positive societal results while Harris simply criticizes the bible and attempts to disassociate the atheism of a number of dictators from the mass murders they committed.

      February 26, 2014

  • Steven

    Is it morally wrong to continually use mental state altering alcohol and drugs rather than face troubles sober? Or moral to be only of a sociable mood when drinking?

    February 14, 2014

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