Wandering With Wild Ponies at Mt. Rogers, VA Intermediate Backpacking Trip

Hello Wanderers. How would you like to spend a few days wandering around the woods with some wild ponies! Sound like fun? Then read on...

Description (Taken from Mid-Atlantic Hikes and Aaron from NEOHBC):

The combined Grayson Highlands and Mt. Rogers National Recreation Area has to be the biggest crown jewel in the VA hiking crown. I can only say that no other hike in VA comes close to what this venue has to offer you. Combine the exposed balds of the Highlands, volcanic looking rock formations to play on, the constant changes in landscape, fields and tunnels of Catawba Rhododendrons blooming in mid-June, clusters of Mountain Laurel and Flame Azaleas at the lower elevations in May and June, Rhododendron maximum (white Rhodos) in bloom along the streams in July, vista after amazing vista .... then throw in the wild ponies like a cherry on top of a giant Banana Split and you have the Highlands!

Mount Rogers boasts among its many accolades wide sweeping vistas reminiscent of the western USA, diverse plant and animal life, the opportunity to scramble up huge volcanic boulders, amazing scenery, and of course, did I happen to mention, THE WILD PONIES; yes, many, many wild ponies. Most of the trail is on the Appalachian Trail. People say that this is the most beautiful section of the AT. The area contains some of the most spectacular scenery and rugged terrain in Virginia. Mount Rogers is the highest elevation in Virginia (5729 ft), and nearby Whitetop Mountain (5520 ft) is the second highest peak. The area is located in the Blue Ridge province, and contains a unique record of the Precambrian history of Virginia. It is the only place in Virginia that preserves evidence of ancient glaciation. In addition, massive rhyolite lava flows erupted there some 760 million years ago. It is located near the tri-state boundary (VA, TN, NC) in Grayson, Smyth, and Washington Counties near the town of Konnarock, VA.

If there is only one backpacking trip you do this year, this one should be it. I've hiked it before and it is one of my all time favorite hikes. I don't think you'll be disappointed!

Where: Mount Rogers, VA, start at the Grindstone Camping Area:

http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/gwj/specialplaces/?cid=stelprdb5302337

Coordinates (based on the U.S. Forest Service):

Latitude:[masked]  Longitude : [masked]

Directions from Cleveland from I-77 S:

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Cleveland,+OH/Grindstone+Campground,+1946+Laurel+Valley+Rd,+Troutdale,+VA+24378/@39.0727832,-83.7077419,7z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x8830ef2ee3686b2d:0xed04cb55f7621842!2m2!1d-81.6943605!2d41.49932!1m5!1m1!1s0x8850360ea67bec69:0x5030a134052e7f48!2m2!1d-81.541313!2d36.687216

When: Thursday, July 10, 2014 - Sunday, July 13, 2014

We will discuss car pooling at the planning session, but basically, we will drive down starting mid-morning Thursday and arrive by early evening. My brother Tom wants to stop for dinner before we camp, we'll vote on that at the meeting. We will car camp at Grindstone on Thursday evening and I have already pre-paid and reserved 3 spots, which is good for 6 people per spot, total of 18 people. They have showers at the trailhead, so I plan on showing on Friday morning before the hike and having clean clothes in my car so when we return on Sunday, taking a shower before heading back home. Thursday night will be a relaxing car camp. The hike starts on Friday morning at 10:00 am.

Who: This trip is open to the entire MeetUp group; however, I am listing this as an intermediate trip. I am expecting you to be completely self-sufficient, including having your own water treatment system and cook system. There will be no community food offered on this trip. That being said, the overall trail can be difficult (more on that in a minute), but I do not want to discourage beginners, so those that are lacking gear will be handled on a case by case basis. You need to contact me if you are lacking all necessary gear, but I may have gear that you can borrow for the trip, including tents and sleeping pads, or I may allow you to piggy back off of me. Beginners are welcome, but be prepared for a challenging hike.

Difficulty level: Moderate to strenuous. This trail will be tougher than the others that have been posted through this MeetUp so far. There will be some tough elevation gains and losses, not to mention parts of the trail which are very rocky and tough on your feet. I would ask that if you want to participate on this hike, that you be in excellent physical condition. We will not be waiting long for those who cannot keep up with the group, so if you have concerns about this, please let me know.

Total miles: 23.5 + - About 8.5 - 10 miles on Friday, 10 - 11 miles on Saturday, and 3.5 trail miles + 1.5 road miles on Sunday.

Hiking pace: 2.0 MPH - Average hiking speed. If you are a beginner, you need to be able to keep up with the group. Contact me if you have concerns regarding this.

Weather: Average highs are in the high 70's to low 80's and average lows are in the high 50's. July has an average of 4.4 inches of rain, so precipitation is very possible, BE PREPARED. As I like to say, there is no such thing as bad weather while backpacking, just ill prepared backpackers. This hike WILL happen regardless of weather conditions, unless it's dangerous, like tornado warnings (which has happened there before, the car campsite had one several years ago and we still may see damage from it at the start of our hike).

Itinerary:

Thursday, July 10, 2014 - Leave Cleveland area mid- morning. It is about a 6.5 - 7.5 hour drive to the campground. We will discuss the parameters of this at the planning session. However, we will all arrive at the Grindstone Camping Area, which is off of SR 603. I have pre-paid for 3 camping spots, each of which cost $31.00 per night and holds up to 6 people and 2 cars (I'd like to see if we can get everyone down in a maximum of 6 cars). They are sites 82, 83, and 84 on the map of Grindstone. I would ask that those that attend please divide this cost up and reimburse me. I will look into getting firewood down there so we can have a campfire that night. After Thursday, we will have to move our cars and parking your car there is $3.00 per day, so you'll need to prepay for the entire rest of the weekend, for a total of $9.00, which I would ask that you chip in if you car pooled with someone. Additional fees are here:

http://www.fs.usda.gov/recarea/gwj/recreation/hiking/recarea/?recid=73725&actid=31

We will arrive whenever and camp for the night. Tom wants to have dinner beforehand, so we will vote on that at the planning meeting, but this will be a fun, relaxing evening. BYOB!

Friday, July 11, 2014 - Packs on ready to hike by 10 ish. There are showers at the trailhead, so I plan on getting up and taking one last shower for the next couple of days before starting to hike. We will begin the hike by starting on the Mount Rogers Trail and heading South. We start with an uphill switchback. The day on the Mt. Rogers Trail will have some moderate hills, but nothing too extreme. We will hike this trail for about 4 miles. When we hit the AT at Deep Gap, we will turn left (East) and continue towards Mount Rogers. We can all drop our packs and take a short day hike to summit Mount Rogers if you'd like. We will continue east on the AT and find a place to camp East of Knob Shelter by about a mile or two. There is a very large camping area and a mountain spring that I'd like to camp at. Camp fires here will probably not happen as this is a high use area and down wood may be hard to find, unless we all want to go scoping for it. Last time I was there, there were numerous friendly ponies that came into camp and allowed you to pet them. I plan on bringing an apple with me to cut up and feed them as a treat while there. Expect some great photo opportunities throughout the day today!

Saturday, July 12, 2014 - Packs on ready to hike by 9 ish. We will continue eastbound on the AT. There will be some hills to contend with. Early on in the hike, we will have some more opportunities to summit some smaller peaks if you'd like too. We will stay on the AT the entire day. When we follow the trail heading northbound, we will pass through a place known as Scales, which is a mile or so from where we will camp. We will camp on a hilltop. THERE IS LITTLE TO NO WATER UP THERE! There was in fact a water source when I camped there (could very well be dry in July), but it was very murky water and it wrecked havoc on my filter system. We will probably have to filter a mile or two from camp and carry our water up there, SO BE PREPARED TO HAVE A LARGE ENOUGH CONTAINER TO CARRY THE WATER YOU'LL NEED FOR SATURDAY NIGHT AND SUNDAY MORNING!  Camp fires here will probably not happen as this is a high use area and down wood may be hard to find, unless we all want to go scoping for it. Hopefully, the ponies will arrive at camp on Saturday night. The group that was there before weren't nearly as friendly, you couldn't get closer than say 10 feet to them back then, but nonetheless, it was fun to watch them run around the huge field we'll be camping next too.

Sunday, July 13, 2014 - Packs on ready to hike by 9 ish. Today is mainly a steep downhill hike back to SR 603. We will continue northbound on the AT until we hit the Old Orchard shelter and the Orchard Spur trail, where we will turn left. We will briefly hike that then join up with the Lewis Fork Trail, turning right, and hiking that out to the road. Once there, we will turn left and road hike about 1.5 miles back to Grindstone and our cars. I plan on taking a shower at the trailhead before leaving, so bring some clean clothes with you and leave them in your car. At this point, you are free to head home, or join me on a yet to be determined place for a post hike meal. We will discuss this at the planning session.

The map is posted in the files section. Please bring it with you while on the trail.

With all of my hikes, I ask that you follow the Leave No Trace Principles:

http://lnt.org/learn/7-principles

Basically, that means if you pack it in, you'll be packing it out. Personal waste will be left in a cathole, properly covered.

This trip is smoking friendly, but away from those that don't. This trip is spirit friendly, but not to the point of intoxication (and please bring your own if you like to partake in that). Please, no animals (although I do love dogs). And hot topics of conversation like politics are best left at the trailhead (no need to get anyone upset out there ;)

Finally, this trip is capped at 18 Wanderers with zero reserves to be considered. That being said, if you're on the reserve list, people drop all the time, so don't give up. Stay on there, but the max amount of people on this hike will be 18!

If you have any questions, please just ask! You can contact me via this site, or call me at[masked], or e-mail me at [masked] . Hope to see everyone on the trail!

Bill Watson

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  • Lori

    Ok, one more thing as I lay here in bed thinking about the past few days. I'm still in awe and a little giddy that I was able to hike a part of the Appalachian Trail. It has been on my list of things I've always wanted to do and see. Thank you Bill and Tom for all your organizing, hard work, patience and time in making that happen. You guys are a great team and I'm very lucky to have found you guys! It was a great 25 miles give or take a mile or mile and a half ;D

    3 · July 14

    • Shelly D.

      Patagucci or Socks.

      3 · July 15

    • Freedom

      Patagucci rocked the socks. Respect.

      2 · July 15

  • Tom

    All,
    Great trip! Wonderful people! Thanks so much for having me. Looking forward to more.
    Tom

    3 · July 15

  • Heather N C.

    ....hated it, the worst trip ever put together!!

    1 · July 14

    • Heather N C.

      Just joking! My favorite part was when the wild ponies decided to stampede through the camp site at 4o'clock in the morning. Truly a memorable trip. Loves it!!!!

      3 · July 14

  • Lori

    Dude it was tough... But soooo worth it ;). Thanks guys for a stunning trip!

    6 · July 13

    • Petra

      I fully agree!!!!!!

      2 · July 14

  • Petra

    I drove back from Heather's through the valley. I just couldn't handle suburbia right away.
    Thank you Bill and Tom for all your work, and thanks to everyone who hiked with me as I slowly made my way up and up and up just like a turtle.

    4 · July 14

  • Shelly D.

    That trail was definitely a slice of heaven! Now back to reality....ugh! Why does coming back to my belongings become less & less appealing? We can surely draw upon those images & memories to spur us on to our next great adventure!
    Thank you Bill, Tom, et al, for all your time & effort in organizing a fantastic trip!

    3 · July 14

  • William A. W.

    I know I thanked everyone at the Post Hike Celebration Meal, but I just wanted to post here that Tom and I really had a great time hiking with everyone! I think the trip was a wild success and I look forward to hiking with all of you again soon.

    To everyone else, please enjoy the pictures I'm sure most will be posting over the next week or so. It is absolutely an amazing place to be. Hope to see/meet you all on the trail soon!

    Bill

    7 · July 13

  • Melissa

    Excellent! Loved it! I will do it again next year!

    5 · July 13

  • Melissa

    I did it! I loved it! Ponies!

    3 · July 13

  • Nick!

    T - 24 hours! *butterflies* ^_^

    July 9

    • Lori

      T - 3 hours Nick! Hahaha...

      July 9

  • Lori

    On the road to Virginia! Hurry up and get down here everyone!!!!

    2 · July 9

  • Shelly D.

    Is there a place to swim on this trail?

    1 · July 8

    • William A. W.

      Well, you can surly pack your trunks and wallow in the stream. But those looking for some clean water won't be happy with you....

      July 8

    • Freedom

      Oh ok that'll be fine

      July 9

  • Melissa

    Okay, looking at the radar, as soon as this storm passes I think we'll be okay.... <<<fingers crossed>>>

    1 · July 8

  • Petra

    Heather, I've the update on car-sharing and I am now going with you :) Please let me know when you're planning on leaving and if I can park my car there.

    Thanks!

    July 6

    • Heather N C.

      3377 rocky river dr Cleveland 44111- please be at my place by 8 am so we can pick up shelly around 9ish in Mayfield and on the road soon after.

      July 7

    • Heather N C.

      also amber and I agreed that we're going to pay for the gas both ways... so between you and shelly split the cost for paying the car camp and the parking at the trailhead. its an extra 13$$ each. let me know other wise.

      July 7

  • Lori

    Anyone have a tent with a very large vestibule? one that could accommodate say 18 people? Lol...hahaha.
    Seriously I am not quite sure how to set up me rain fly so....HELP!

    July 7

  • Lori

    I see rain everyday except Friday...? Anyone see anything different?

    July 7

    • Pete

      The forecast was completely different yesterday it'll probably be different again tomorrow

      1 · July 7

    • Pete

      I didn't mean to come across as flippant. I'm just saying, follow the backpackers code - pack for the worst and hope for the best!

      3 · July 7

  • Freedom

    Camping!

    3 · July 7

    • Freedom

      It's even more strange that you don't like it!

      1 · July 7

    • Lori

      I feel ya Freedom...Sometimes I high-five myself when think I did something awesome!!!

      July 7

  • Pete

    Hello fellow wanderers! Rest assured, all is not hopeless! But, sometimes it seems that way. Unfortunately, Nick and I have not been able to find a multi-passenger van to rent for this trip and we are not sure how many people were hoping to hitch a ride on it. So I thought it would be a good idea to put together a list of all of the drivers and their passengers. Then we will know who still needs a ride! Nick created a shared spreadsheet to gather the info. I couldn't figure out how to link to it here, so I started a new "Discussion" with the link. If you are planning to drive, please add your info and your passengers names to the spreadsheet. (or you can just list it in this thread and I can add it for you) Once we know how many people still need a ride, we can start figuring out how to get everyone down to Virginia!
    Thanks

    2 · June 24

    • William A. W.

      Pete, I just wanted to thank you you for getting the spreadsheet available to others. Might I suggest you offer your expertise to others for future trips? I think it would be great for future Wanderers!

      3 · July 6

    • Nick!

      Thanks for helping to spread the word about the spreadsheet, Pete! Since I'm the one guilty of creating it, I went ahead and added a few more tabs at the bottom for use on future trips. To rename a tab, just right-click it and select Rename. I also configured the spreadsheet to allow anyone with the link to edit it. To reference the spreadsheet in future trip descriptions, just include this link: https://docs.google.co...­ If you would like a featured added, or removed, just drop me a line ^_^

      3 · July 7

  • William A. W.

    Hi all. A few things. First, as a reminder, Tom. Chris, and I will be at The Log House in Wytheville, VA, on Thursday by 4:30 pm. Please join us. Also, we can take a fourth, but all of us smoke. Secondly, I have 4 Nalgene water containers that I can let those borrow for the trail. They hold 3 liters each. You'll need something for water on Saturday night, so let me know if you need something. Finally, between Tom and I, we have a total of 3 extra camp chairs to let those borrow for the trail. If you pack one in, you'll need to pack it out. Tom's is a full length Crazy Creek that weighs 32 oz. I have a small Crazy Creek that weighs 22 oz and an REI camp chair that weighs 27 oz. First come, first served.

    1 · July 6

    • William A. W.

      Sounds good to me. Please arrive by 8:45 at the latest. We will go to Eat At Joe's for a quick breakfast before we depart for the trail. We will be taking Tom's Jeep down there. It will fit the 4 of us with gear easily. I will also bring a cooler for Thursday night, so if you want cold beverages (Tom and I will have craft IPA's) for Thursday, then bring them, we'll have room for those too.

      July 6

    • Melissa

      Sounds perfect -- thank you!

      July 6

  • Nick!

    Hey Gang. I found a decent rental price on a 7 passenger SUV and would like to offer up a few seats. The cost per person would either be $80 (6 people) or $68 (7 people). The vehicle has been reserved and I would like to have a final head count by July 6th. You can see some pictures of the vehicle's interior at www.chevrolet.com/traverse-mid-size-suv/interior-pictures.html

    Price summary:

    874 miles round-trip
    20 mpg average
    43.7 gallons of gas
    x $3.60/gallon of gas
    = $157.32 gas
    + $318 car rental
    = $475.32 total cost
    6 people = $80/person
    7 people = $68/person

    Take care ^_^

    2 · July 2

    • Tom

      Nick, If it ends up being only 4 people singed up for the "Party Bus" by the end of the 6th, I will still be willing to take my truck. We can make arrangements for a meeting place and just go 4 ways on the gas. Tom.

      1 · July 6

    • Nick!

      Tom, thank you for offering. Either way, the Party Bus to Mt. Rogers will happen in some way, shape, or form ^_^

      July 6

  • Heather N C.

    so..ive been looking over the spread sheet and there are a few people that haven't yet assigned themselves to part of the carpooling.
    with the limit of space at the campsites, I can take 1 more person who lives around the Cleveland area.
    shelly- 2 more if lori goes with freedom
    tom- 4 open spaces + extra gear
    pete - 4 open spaces
    also I believe there could be one more driver if wanted.. but with the individuals that are not listed with drivers I would suggest to announce where you live and if you like a ride along.
    persons that are not on the list ...
    ron
    kim
    nick
    mihai
    erik
    mason

    3 · July 1

    • Melissa

      Hi Shelly, if your car has continued trouble and you don't want to stress it out more I'd be fine with driving. :)

      July 2

    • Shelly D.

      Thanks, Melissa. I'm taking it in tomorrow. I think it's the purge control valve. It's running fine other than that. I'll keep you posted if they can't fix it. If we get one more person to ride with us, it will be around $30 a person for gas. If not, around $40.

      July 2

  • Freedom

    Site 85 reserved 6/9 and 6/10

    June 30

    • Lori

      K

      July 1

    • William A. W.

      Freedom, someone dropped from the trip, so you are now on the active list. If you want to cancel your reservation for the 10th, you can and just camp with us (just to save you a few bucks).

      July 1

  • Freedom

    Hey I have a seat available in my FJ.

    June 26

    • Freedom

      We'll be listening to ABBA only

      1 · June 27

    • William A. W.

      Total deal breaker right there.

      June 28

  • William A. W.

    For those joining this little adventure. I'd like all drivers, whether you're on a car pool or driving solo, to email me with their phone numbers. Mine is at the bottom of the trip description. I'd like to keep in contact on the way down if that's ok.

    June 27

  • William A. W.

    Everyone, I've seen some great suggestions on car pooling, with little response. Tom, Chris, and I will be driving down together. I hope the rest of you are considering the options that have been offered. Please, if interested, contact the individual or post something. I'd like to keep the number of cars to a minimum and it will be overall cheaper for all involved.

    June 24

    • Shelly D.

      It's my car, Petra, and of course you are welcome!

      1 · June 25

    • Petra

      Why thank you very much Shelly! Lori posted so I thought it was her.

      June 26

  • Lori

    Sitting in the valley reading during a thunderstorm.... ☔️

    4 · June 24

  • Heather N C.

    Amber and I are in for the van

    1 · June 23

  • Nick!

    $100/person is a rough estimate until we know exactly who's going and the model of van available for rent. Ideally, we would rent a 12 passenger van to reduce individual costs but unfortunately availability is very limited. If anyone has a hookup, please email me asap. Otherwise, we would likely rent a 7 passenger van equipped with 6 or 7 Wanderers to allow for comfort and pack storage.

    I could steal the van from Hopkins Airport and then proceed to pick-up/drop-off people at rally points along I-77 South. Since we are meeting at the campground at 5 PM on July 10th, our bus should leave C-town by 8:30-9 AM to allow for any hiccups along the way (please not another flat tire!).

    Since I have a slight addiction to music, I usually compile a soundtrack to listen to on long road trips like these. It would be awesome if we could come up with a list of tunes to rock out to on the way down! More on that later.

    Oh, and be prepared for at least one Chinese fire-drill ^_^

    June 18

    • Lori

      I'm opting out of the van. Too much money. If it was an RV I'd be all in!

      June 21

    • Nick!

      Pete, I really appreciate all your help, and positive spirit, in trying to wrestle a good deal on a passenger van! We did our best to accommodate people :) If anyone is interested in renting a mini-van or car, please send me a message via my profile. Thanks!

      1 · June 21

  • Shelly D.

    $100 is definitely too much. I was thinking more like $40. If there are only 8 people, it's not worth it. 4 people in a car round trip averages out to around $40.

    June 21

  • William A. W.

    And it is $5 per person for the car camp on Thursday, so please reimburse me on that aspect.

    June 18

    • William A. W.

      I don't mean to sound mean, but reserves are just that, reserves. I can only have 18 at the car camp on Friday, so unless someone drops, then you jump to the active list. OR that your that committed to the hike, you need to find your own way on Thursday evening.

      June 19

    • Freedom

      Ok as far as Camping Thursday goes, I'll just reserve one of the adjacent sites

      June 19

  • Petra

    The van sounds great to me too as long as the cost is low.

    June 19

  • Tom

    The van sounds great to me! Count me in. If for whatever reason we still need a truck my offer to drive still stands.

    June 19

  • Melissa

    Hi Wanderers, I'm working on a sleeping pad and am wondering how important it is to have a pad longer than me. I'm 67" so would a 66" pad work? Feet can hang off a bit, can't they? And, I'm more of a side sleeper anyway -- which leads me to another question - do you think 20" width is enough? While I'm at it - how about the thickness? Would I feel like I'm rolling off a 2.5"? Think 1.5" is enough? Maybe 2" is perfect? (I can have joint pain at times so I'm thinking about that...)

    June 19

    • Shelly D.

      Sorry - 25 by 77, not 26. I'm not good at remembering specifics. Had to look it up. 1 lb.10 oz. Found it on Amazon.

      June 19

    • Melissa

      Thank you for the info! I'm thinking wider is going to be better and so then the length will happen automatically. Not settled on height yet but I'll keeping investigating.

      June 19

  • Melissa

    BTW, I am so excited for this trip! :)

    1 · June 19

  • Lori

    I'm laying I bed and there are a lightening bugs dancing outside my window.... :). Good night Wanderers ...Zzzz

    1 · June 18

  • William A. W.

    4) Bring clean clothes with you as there are showers at the trailhead. I will be showing both on Friday and on Sunday.

    5) Please let me know if you have questions. I think the meal back will be at Ruby Tuesday's. But we can discuss/vote on that on the trail.

    6) Friday morning, we will have to move cars and it is $3 per day, per car to park there.

    7) Bring bottled water with you on Thursday.

    Any questions, please let me know! Bill Watson

    June 18

  • William A. W.

    Hello all:

    OK, well, it looks like we have a large van driving down now. Which is a good thing ;) Tom, Chris, and I will be driving down in Tom's Jeep. Let's plan on the following for Thursday:

    1) Let's meet for dinner at The Log House in Wytheville, VA (We like to support local businesses):

    http://www.yelp.com/biz/log-house-1776-restaurant-wytheville

    We'll meet there at 4:30 pm, so from wherever you happen to leave from, it is about 5.5 hours from Cleveland to the restaurant. This is optional. You can drive directly to the campsite if you'd prefer.

    2) We will meet at Grindstone Campground on Thursday, July 10, by 6:30 pm. I have spots 82, 83, and 84 reserved under "William A. Watson," if you just want to drive directly there, just tell them that you're under my reservation. Please be willing to chip in a few bucks towards firewood for the car camp, which we will purchase there.

    3) Make sure you bring BYOB for Thursday night (and for the trail if you prefer that).

    June 18

  • Nick!

    Hey gang. So a few Wanderers have expressed an interest in renting a van for the trip to Mt. Rogers. It will likely hold 6-12 happy Wanderers depending on the model of van available. We can split the cost of rental and fuel and potentially take turns driving. So far we have a few people on the bandwagon and are looking for more to join us. Interested? Read on for all the naughty details (please reply here by June 21st).

    I did some research on various transportation methods to Mt. Rogers and here's how they compare (approximated costs and travel time):

    - Plane: $[masked], ticket only, 8 hours (2 hrs airport + 4 hr flight + 2 hr drive)

    - AmTrak: $100, 18 hrs (WTF?!)

    - Automobile: $100/person, 7 hrs, assumes 7 passenger van. Costs:

    gallons of fuel: 842 miles round-trip / 22 mpg = 38 gallons
    fuel cost: 38 x $3.75 gallon = $142.5
    total cost: $500 rental + $142.5 = $642.5
    cost/person: $642.5 / 7 = $92

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    June 18

  • cindy

    I really wanted to go. It's just too much going on right now and I'm not ready. Bummed :(

    June 16

    • William A. W.

      Sorry about that Cindy. But I'm running another beginner trip, so that should give you a chance to dust off your gear and give it a try later this summer.

      June 16

  • Tom

    I signed up for the trip today. I was not at the planning meeting yesterday. I have a full size pickup seats 4-5 comfortably and a covered bed. I will be more than willing to drive. If there is something I can bring or help out with feel free to ask.

    June 11

    • Petra

      Tom, where do you live approx.?

      June 12

    • Tom

      I am on the east side, Lyndhurst.

      June 13

  • Nick!

    I guess I'll just have to bring my ultralight air conditioner with me ;)

    2 · June 12

  • Ruth

    I'd love to go to this, but need to be back in Ohio by Sunday morning. Bummer.

    May 21

    • William A. W.

      Bummer for now, but no one has to twist my arm to hike this trail again ;) Maybe next year!

      May 21

    • Ruth

      I'm not dead yet! Still might be able to clear a late arrival with the director.

      2 · May 22

  • Petra

    yoo hoo! I get to see some ponies!

    May 9

  • Petra

    Bill, was just looking at the upcoming events and noticed that for 4 of us, the date and time of the RSVP for this trip will be impossible. We'll be Hopelessly Wandering the Kennerdell tract. Would you consider changing it? Thanks!

    1 · May 7

  • Petra

    Bill, this sounds incredible! I was talking to someone - Was it you? - on the Minister Creek Trail about the ponies and voila you're offering them up to us. Wow....

    May 1

    • William A. W.

      Petra, it is incredible. Not sure if it was me or my brother, but I love this hike :)

      May 2

  • William A. W.

    I want to apologize in advance to everyone for blocking this trip for RSVP's for a couple of weeks. I thought about it, and since most people will have to take at least a couple of days off from work, I wanted those truly interested to see if they can leave work first. I didn't want a bunch of people joining, then dropping off, especially close to the trip, if they couldn't make it. This way, everyone has an opportunity to check with their jobs before this trip opens up.

    May 1

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