RE: [metaphysics-672] I think I am out of the loop..anyone wanna help fill me in?

From: user 1.
Sent on: Monday, January 21, 2013 6:23 PM

If you don’t get it, then I’m right, along with the other women who saw things eye to eye…you get tripped up on one word. The only good thing I can say to you is that you blindly fight for a friend.

 

And as this is no 2 of about 10 new messages I’ll just say it here……”Spaghetti on the Wall”…..new Meetup offering sent to me at 5 this morning. As well as highlighting in Red and flagging in red the message I replied to the other women. Actually I believe the first was to all and second to just her. You all have obviously an incestuous little group that hasn’t been around two many blocks. kk

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Michele
Sent: Sunday, January 20,[masked]:40 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [metaphysics-672] I think I am out of the loop..anyone wanna help fill me in?

 

I have no idea what making money under the umbrella of New Age activities has to do with the original email...or with reasons to talk to David...but I do observe there seems ample reason to talk about him.

Answering gaslighting and flooding missives is a useless activity for me, so I guess I'll stop.

 

From: Kathy Kelly <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Sunday, January 20,[masked]:24 PM
Subject: RE: [metaphysics-672] I think I am out of the loop..anyone wanna help fill me in?

I never had a reason to speak to David. At the time I was opening the emails he seemed very busy in other things and didn’t know if the group was to continue. I’m sure there’s a mean to an ends regarding this. I only this one time after 3 years responded because I didn’t copy your address in my email after using the word Monitor street in an overview of what my experience was to a young person considering moving across the country and her means of income was going to be selling self-made new age objects at a new age store.  If she were my daughter I wouldn’t want her to make a rash change. The years could zoom on by and 35 could easily turn 50 and she might wish for those years back. It was a huge responsibility counseling her. Out of 5 major metropolis areas that I have lived in Pittsburgh would be last on my list for making a living under the umbrella of New Age activities. But that’s just me. kk

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Michele
Sent: Sunday, January 20,[masked]:04 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [metaphysics-672] I think I am out of the loop..anyone wanna help fill me in?

 

The things clear to me from this email session is that lots of people are looking for direction or fresh material whether they be old or new to the understanding of metaphysical stuff. I have set out one short inquiry to David in the past, and he was quick to respond, and very unthreatening. I also have observed the activity that goes on around his offerings, such as his interactions with people, and it did not take brain surgeon skills to figure out that he and Mia were basically opening up their house for this to happen. Also, the suggested donation is a mere pittance even in my meager book. I can't see him turning anyone down that wants guidance or dialogue.. or gluing anyone to the $20 thing if they were unsatisfied or underfunded.

The things unclear to me are why people dance around just flat out asking him what is up rather than spinning stories of suspicion, talking about him like he isn't in the room, and drawing from negative background experiences to rationalize it all.

From: Kathy Kelly <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Sunday, January 20,[masked]:21 PM
Subject: RE: [metaphysics-672] I think I am out of the loop..anyone wanna help fill me in?

Are you mad? Ha Ha Ha….you obviously only read and took in what you wanted. David’s last email  appeared to have had some time and thought put into it instead of just throwing something up against the wall. From appearance….Free…Suggested Donation $20……was widespread in the 3 years that I’ve been receiving emails. This was the first time I heard that it was a duplex. Of course that raises more questions for me which is neither here nor there for you all.  There’s a group out there that I believe goes under the name LifeSpring, used to be another when I went and before that it was e.s.t…..They charged $600 for (The Forum) a weekend in 88. I went from Pgh to Alexandria VA to do it. The first three hours the leader very slowly reads the rules. The crowd gets restless. And more restless…..then someone stands up (at mine it was a middle aged man) and angrily says what’s going on….taking all this time…spent all this money….. I followed through with it. I’m glad I can relate to others when they bring it up. Bottom line you can sit in a hard chair, pay for it and have no material presented to you and you learn something. That’s their whole premise. And they have a whole list you can pick from for follow-up. Excellence, Partnership, Abundance, etc  the curriculum is all the same. Nothing really. They continually challenge you to bring 2 guests to the next meeting. And its almost like Scientology how they treat the “two guest policy” and that’s their marketing.  As I page through the new age magazine when I can find one I take notice to what’s offered.  And when I try to meet someone via classified I only have one requirement…I like to date people that have a passion for something. I don’t care if its building houses or quilting. I find that is a preference of mine. I was impressed with Tom’s message and found myself brainstorming effortlessly to throw ideas out there. He has a passion. I didn’t resonate at all to the “maybe this or maybe that”.  I am hoping there is sufficient attendance for a class to run that I read about yesterday. I’m willing to pay $150 for 3 3hour sessions because although I don’t know anything except the bio which illustrates education in the filed, the seminar was sufficiently outlined and each will create within that structure. My money is more important to me now that supplements and good produce take a larger portion of my budget. I don’t want to sit in a hard chair waiting for an experience while someone’s writing off a loss. Two non profits a stone’s throw from me are doing exactly that while creating a job for themselves.  And I don’t live in Squirrel Hill.  Kathy Kelly

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Linda
Sent: Sunday, January 20,[masked]:10 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [metaphysics-672] I think I am out of the loop..anyone wanna help fill me in?

 

I have to say Diane, you certainly told it how it is. Anyone who doesnt really

know David and Mia should back off with the remarks.

Linda

 

From: Diane <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Sunday, January 20,[masked]:57 AM
Subject: RE: [metaphysics-672] I think I am out of the loop..anyone wanna help fill me in?

Tom,If I may, the Monitor Street address that appears on the Meetup group postings is David's home. The meetings are held in half of a duplex and David and his family live in the other half. Since David doesn't collect rent on the half where the meetings are held, he posts for a donation to pay for heat, electricity, etc. It is a suggested donation only. There have been meetings there for several years now and I have received wonderful insights and loving support there. David is a wonderful teacher/leader/facilitator/councilor/coach.Also, I am very interested in your education model. I too believe that our public educational system needs a complete reset. I am currently writing a fictional story about a town that is, among other things, experimenting with alternative education. If you would be interested in a dialogue about this, please let me know.Loving the All,Diane

From: [address removed]: [metaphysics-672] I think I am out of the loop..anyone wanna help fill me in?To: [address removed]: Sun, 20 Jan[masked]:43:26 -0500

To be fair...I havent yet attended a meeting, but David...we met a while ago if you remember me.  

Couldnt find anything on Monitor Street...on google...is it a specific metaphysical program or something? 

I am actually completely lost in the convo? 

If anyone wants to fill me in that would be greatly appreciated. 

What peeked my interest is a wealth manifestation group as I am looking to build massive wealth to pour into a new kind of education that teaches kids self-mastery through meditation, yoga, taichi, martial arts, combined with creative expression through the arts, theater, dance, visual art, music, and then also entrepreneurship, and world spirituality.  This way kids can graduate being masters of yoga or tai chi, feel empowered to be themselves, and be able to manifest their dreams, and live abundantly. 

The public education system costs 160 billion a year...and its falling apart...so we need a large amount of money to do this nation wide and one day globally....can you imagine how different the world would be if all kids received this kind of education? 

Not sure if any of you have the same vision about what true education could become, but I would love to know what your up to David...and what this discussion about money and a program is all about. 

If anyone does share the same vision for education...maybe we can form an intention group to attract the resources, people, and money to manifest this?

I apologize for being so out of the loop...

I wish you all well

-T

Tom Menditto, Ph.B, TCQT
The Dao Center LLC
Life Coach, Tai Chi Teacher, and Speaker
[masked]

"The Greater the struggle, the more glorious the triumph"
-The Butterfly Circus-

--- On Sun, 1/20/13, Kathy Kelly <[address removed]> wrote:


From: Kathy Kelly <[address removed]>
Subject: RE: [metaphysics-672] Three questions
To: [address removed]
Date: Sunday, January 20, 2013, 6:25 AM

Liz,

Before calling it a night, I reviewed things, thinking I may have been unkind and unloving. I think you were spot on according to my perspective and that my response was ok considering how many times I received and read the emails.  You really identified things well in a specific, observing way. And the thing that really gets me is the lack of self-awareness regarding their approach. It reminds me of being patient with an elderly person who is out of their element making naïve suggestions. Oh well. All the best. Kathy

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Liz
Sent: Saturday, January 19,[masked]:34 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [metaphysics-672] Three questions

 

Dear Kathy,

I sent a response that sounded eerily like yours. Every time I see Monitor Street, I know that it is a financial commitment. Whether the organizers make a profit or not is not the issue for me. The intent is what bothers me. 

 

It seems like things are being thrown against the wall to see what sticks; I.e.; what will be a moneymaker. What bait will catch the fish? I don't want to be the fish! I have no incentive to be the fish. There is plenty of metaphysical food out there! 

 

I think it attracts a good group of people and I appreciate the efforts and energy of pulling like-minded people together. However, I won't attend these meetings because of the infomercial vibe (send money now). I am sensitive to be being marketed to and when the marketing precedes the message, I get turned off. 

 

The shotgun approach to topic material makes me wonder about expertise or lack thereof--not a problem specifically, but when cash is involved...well, suffice to say that I am not inclined to partake. And these are the reasons why. 

 

Other resources are more readily available. 

 

 



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On Jan 19, 2013, at 4:37 PM, Kathy Kelly <
[address removed]> wrote:

Hello,

 

It’s timely that I received this email and opened it and for the first time received a handful of replies.  Honestly, I  would just shake my head and move on when I opened the messages. Too many people trying to make a living off the Work.  Last week I relied to a personal and that is why I am responding now. I didn’t use names but one of my examples was the Monitor thing….Everytime I saw anything that interested me there was the clause…By donation, $20 suggested. Then you have to tack on $10 for gas. Do I want to spend thirty buck on a chance that I will find it worthwhile or would I rather spend it at Barnes and Nobles on one of the books I’d like. I’ve always chosen the books. I moved from Miami to Virginia Beach because I was spoken to while visiting at the A.R.E. over the holidays one year. And I was employed at Uof M so I had something substantial that I left. Duriing my 7 years there we had probably a half dozen or so visiting speakers.  Then I moved back to Pgh 15 years ago now….and the personal ad was a woman who was moving to Pgh from Cali and she wanted to make a base of friends. After our second correspondence and I learned that she was an artist and was intending to sell her wares at a metaphysical bookstore…I outlined by background and experience with the metaphysical community. I did have one great experience with a group but their “guru” came to town twice a year and when I reached the point of him coming with his homemade cassettes I just shook my head. The flyer he put out was nothing, said nothing about music; yet , the Friday speech was supposed to be on “Music from the Spheres”. Catchy enough…His whole getup was built around the Alice Bailey books.  I read my first when living with two PHD’s in Miami.  And I stayed in VB to take a course whose text was Alice Bailey.  Funny, the first night the woman who was a doctor said that she was only teaching the course because they couldn’t find anyone…Imagine….and I moved from a city and a good job based on the word  Initiation. Anyway, the woman from Cali has changed her mind and in my last reply I reminded her that my karma, personality and astrology are not the same as hers.  I miss the substantial metaphysical community in Virginia Beach…I outgrew it as a single woman approaching 40. Most were retiring there. Perhaps, I will meet some of you one day here in the Burgh. Glad to see there were a handful of others giving feedback. I passed on the Meeting Startup as a good resource as I have found some other groups that worked for me. Kathy    

[address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of david
Sent: Friday, January 18,[masked]:44 PM
To:
[address removed]
Subject: [metaphysics-672] Three questions

 

Hi all,I'd like to pose some questions. Feel free to answer or trash this email. I am sending this email because there has been a precipitous drop off in participation in the weekly meditation/discussion group.In 2012 I had the second of two near death experiences. I received healing for the incident in 2012 and am very grateful for that. I continue to learn and grow from this experience as I go deeper with it. So far it has led directly to a change in my relationship with money and I am currently on track to create success in a way that makes perfect sense and that I would never have anticipated. I continue to heal and my near death experience continues to yield benefits as it continues to open to various practices.(First question) I am very happy to share these insights and welcome input that others bring so that we may all create together. Toward that end there are several possibilities for groups and classes. If you have an idea for a class or group, please let me know. I have hosted other groups in the past and would be happy to discuss doing so again. The possibilities include (in no particular order):- meditation/discussion- drumming circle/shamanic exploration- nonviolent communication practice group- Huna (and other) technique practice group- wealth creation practice group- relationship practice group- creative exploration practice group- classes in these things(Second question) What day/evening would be good for you?(Third question) In particular I am looking at the next two Thursdays as possibilities for kicking off a project that involves creative exploration. If you are interested in writing fiction or nonfiction, photography, meeting people and creating something together, etc., please check this out. If you are interested but can't make it during either night, please contact me. Thanks for reading this far.-David Park[address removed]





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