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Re: [robotrobot] Member or non-Member?

From: Thomas M.
Sent on: Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:59 PM
Peter, we don't have a web master at this point and I am overwhelmed with my regular work and have not a minute more to spare these days. 

Online content cannot improve unless we get a webmaster. 

Thomas Messerschmidt

Like robots?

From: Peter <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, February 19,[masked]:25 PM
Subject: Re: [robotrobot] Member or non-Member?

I encourage those lurking, who do attend meetings, to post, if even just one sentence, so Thomas's survey can be completed.

On Tue,[masked] at 03:15 -0500, Peter wrote:
I enjoy assisting User Groups to grow.  Even if I do not get to the meetings.  My belief is the "list" is the membership list, and participation at monthly face to face, is optional.  There is value in both mailing lists and meetings. 

There are two types of mailing lists.  "Announcements" and Discussion.  Announcement is dedicated to one type of post, like an upcoming meeting (highly moderated), or job board.  Discussion is a free for all, typically unmoderated.  Having one of each is common.  The meeting announcements also go to the discussion, but not the job posts.  I typically sign up for both announcement and discussion, so my inbox gets two emails with the meeting, which I like. does not offer two lists per group.  So, Yahoo, Google, or other free or commercial mailing list is used for the second.  I've not seen many meetup mailing lists used for discussion.  I think most meetup members do not like to type.

Hope that helps.

Coming from the geek side, my opinion has changed.  Simply, the geek should not feel intimidated, and instead should laugh out loud, and say what's the next step to being "productive"... and perhaps now is not the best time, so let's meet today on the same topic.  And walk away.  I hope this helps some ... geeks.  It did me.

Change "today" to "tomorrow"

And I will be blunt:  Being or feeling intimidated by someone's words, whether written in a post, or verbally to your face.... is not productive behavior of the person feeling intimated.  It's a set back for that one person.  That's bad.  And it's mostly one side.  And it's a hit for the "team", or the department or the firm.  That some bosses or parents do not "get this", and continue to be aggressive, instead of explaining, is their fault, that they like a dominate/submissive situation.  That's bad.  But 'older' people I no longer expect will change.  Not anytime soon.  That a bully only bullies those that do not hit back, is well known.  Or bullies only those that 'respond' with cringing is well known.  That's was blunt.  I said so at the beginning.  Growing up, becoming an adult, means learning to not feel intimated.  I know people who for decades have never learned that wisdom.  It's hard to learn.  But I did.  I hope this helps some.

BTW, I can not seem to work with those people who continue to be 'intimating', at least face to face.  Via email... I do not care, as I know it's wrong to "read into" emails any such emotion.  Face to face, the reason I do not like it, is the other person expects to see me cringe, and I do not.  I ignore them.  And they hate that.  And they will not like working with me.  And they get worse.  And I do not like them getting worse.  So I do not like working with them.  Strange world.

I'm also an artist, and in touch with my inner self.  In case you did not notice.  LOL does cost, I think $120 per year,

Thomas, thanks for the correction.  I do hope you get full reimbursement from the club treasury.  It's a proper use of those funds. 

At the RCCS Club meeting, I did donate $10 one meeting, the third one I attended, once I realized the meeting and it's members were going to become my best new friends.  I know dues are $12, but I just wanted to donate.

Being a leader of many user groups myself, over the last 20 years, I know the level of effort, and a low yearly fee, on a donation basis, for members, is such a small cost.  The ROI is great.  And students do not have to donate for membership due to a restricted income.  That's so cool.


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