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Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Dylann Roof - Preview not available Sigrid C. Jun 29, 2015 1:15 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Dylann Roof - Police brutality needs to be addressed (eliminated) but it&n Paul B. Jun 29, 2015 12:42 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Dylann Roof - Gail, Well-put point! It surprises me as well -- has for a long time -- how blind we seem to make ourselves to the effects of nurtu Jon A. Jun 29, 2015 6:02 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Dylann Roof - Gene regulation can occur at any point during gene expression, but most commonly occurs at the level of transcription (when the information in a gene's DNA is transferred to mRNA ). Word Warrior M. Jun 29, 2015 4:47 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Dylann Roof - Siva, you seem to think of individual biology as immutable destiny. What about all those genes that can turn "on" or "off"? What about the fact that psychological trauma alters the a Word Warrior M. Jun 29, 2015 4:41 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Dylann Roof - Evolution happens in spite of what people want. Not up to me. Siva On 6/28/15, Sigrid Coats wrote: > Ha, Siva! You’d have to nominate a lot of young people for the Darwin > award! Good luck! > > Why not give them a Siva Jun 28, 2015 7:03 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Dylann Roof - Sigrid C. Jun 28, 2015 12:10 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Dylann Roof - Occurrences like this may just be evolution in action. In the modern world, those who are susceptible to silly institutional propoganda (like the ISIS enlistees or the kid who shot up the SC church) are apparently winding up in jail or dead. If th Siva Jun 27, 2015 8:27 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Dylann Roof - Preview not available Sigrid C. Jun 27, 2015 5:19 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Dylann Roof - This is a video from today's New York Times Paul B. Jun 27, 2015 3:30 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Dylann Roof - Yeah Sigrid, often the administrators are the most inept, don't have a clue about ground level with real students! A couple decades ago when ed costs increased, it was cuz districts were tripling administrators (who also get paid much more) while s Word Warrior M. Jun 26, 2015 10:24 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Dylann Roof - Gail, that must have been dreadful. Years ago, I was hired by a junior high school, the principal of Sigrid C. Jun 26, 2015 7:17 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Dylann Roof - A position I'd argue forcefully: evil is LEARNED, nor inbred biologically! But yes of course that's also a free will choice. Some of the most compassionate ppl I've known come out of trauma and abuse also. There's some "X factor&qu Word Warrior M. Jun 26, 2015 7:12 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Dylann Roof - OK also.... lol... from all my life experience I believe all are born with that innate sense of morality (see experiments done with babies in psych field) but many kids come from abuse and reflect that in diff ways. I taught at alternative schools with Word Warrior M. Jun 26, 2015 7:04 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Dylann Roof - Paul, sadly our ed system has become more and more politicized over past decades as corporations try to get at that money, privatizing our education. That has led to so much evil (don't know what else to call it). For instance, one of the last scho Word Warrior M. Jun 26, 2015 6:48 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Dylann Roof - Paul, I see you took a leap of faith in seeing me agree with Plato. That is not correct, however. Whe Sigrid C. Jun 26, 2015 6:45 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Dylann Roof - Paul B. Jun 26, 2015 6:04 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Dylann Roof - Thank you. "determining" > From: runwil Paul B. Jun 26, 2015 12:28 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Dylann Roof - Using the a kind of intuition that comes from learning the several different types of ways to 'word clear' the 19 ways to use the word 'of' and such, I got a ping from "If Dylann Roof had been taught even the basic skills of determing right from wrong" in Black J. Jun 25, 2015 11:57 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Dylann Roof - From what I heard, it hasn't yet been ascertained that the website set up in roof's name was actually authored by him. If it was, then the kid's problem is that he's just too DUMB, and so any past attempt to educate him would've been futile. Siva Siva Jun 25, 2015 10:12 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Dylann Roof - Just saw these last two posts. Haven't been making meetings cuz my mother recently had a stroke and I've also been dealing with some health issues. Will try again next week. But of Word Warrior M. Jun 25, 2015 9:09 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Dylann Roof - Preview not available Sigrid C. Jun 25, 2015 7:43 PM
Dylann Roof - Even as Dylann Roof commited a heinous, Paul B. Jun 25, 2015 5:06 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Something in here to discuss? - Good question! ==============================­================= If there is a problem you can d Jon A. Jun 21, 2015 10:00 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ The Barefoot Economist - That is one possible approach, however, wouldn't it be necessary to explore a range of solutions, given a world of diversity? On 6/20/[masked]:44, Siva wrote: > That's why there's blackmail:) Sigrid C. Jun 21, 2015 8:12 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ The Barefoot Economist - On 6/20/15, Sigrid Coats wrote: > The status quo definitely looks dismal. But, isn't it time to define a > better style of leadership and pressure the system into change? Yes, we should (and can) pressure the system into Siva Jun 20, 2015 5:44 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ The Barefoot Economist - The status quo definitely looks dismal. But, isn't it time to define a better style of leadership and pressure the system into change? Or should we just resign and exclaim: "O tempora! O mores!"? On 6/20/[masked]:48, Siva wrote: > Only way to get S Sigrid C. Jun 20, 2015 5:20 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Something in here to discuss? - Thanks, Paul, for the Steinbeck. It's cool to find insights like that in surprising places. I find it reassuring, very reassuring. Jon A. Jun 20, 2015 3:17 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ The Barefoot Economist - Only way to get Servant Leadership is for the people under that leadership to have the ability to stop PAYING those leaders if they screw up. After all, the whole reason our current "leaders" serve specific wealthy individuals/businesses is because Siva Jun 20, 2015 1:48 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Something in here to discuss? - Preview not available Paul B. Jun 20, 2015 1:01 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Something in here to discuss? - I s not the reaching of nirvana a desire?  If I nullify that desire by reaching nirvana can I ever go back to the state of nirvana? On Friday, June 19, 2015, Jon Anderson < [address removed] > wrote: Kathy N. Jun 20, 2015 11:54 AM
Something in here to discuss? - Avalokiteshvara while practicing deeply with the Insight that Brings Us to the Other Shore, suddenly discovered that all of the five Skandhas are equally empty, and with this realisation he overcame all Ill-being. Jon A. Jun 19, 2015 5:56 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ The Barefoot Economist - Preview not available Sigrid C. Jun 19, 2015 2:56 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ The Barefoot Economist - Preview not available Paul B. Jun 19, 2015 1:34 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ American Individualism as Religion - Individualism itself is INCOMPATIBLE w/traditional organized religions or cults. Though there are parts of the US that celebrate individualism and individual expression (i. e. Seattle, SF, NYC, Minneapolis), most of the country today does not, and so Siva Jun 18, 2015 7:52 PM
American Individualism as Religion - Art's question last night was, "Is Americanism, specif Paul B. Jun 18, 2015 6:04 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ The Barefoot Economist - Preview not available Paul B. Jun 14, 2015 6:15 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ The Barefoot Economist - Jon, It would help if we looked for and modeled those who "approximate" this concept and who Sigrid C. Jun 13, 2015 7:33 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ The Barefoot Economist - Sigrid, I would be thrilled to find such ones as this. ==============================­================= Jon A. Jun 13, 2015 6:10 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ The Barefoot Economist - I loves me some J.J.R! Jon ==============================­================= Jon A. Jun 13, 2015 6:09 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ The Barefoot Economist - Preview not available Sigrid C. Jun 12, 2015 5:12 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ The Barefoot Economist - Paul B. Jun 12, 2015 4:06 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ The Barefoot Economist - Well, that exactly wasn't my question. My question is how to create a more fair economic system within a world where greed and short-sightedness STILL EXIST, --in other words, how to create a system that is completely IMMUNE to being artificially t Siva Jun 11, 2015 6:15 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ The Barefoot Economist - Sorry my e-mail escaped me, I wanted to suggest Siva's question for our next discussion. Is there even a remote possibility that greed and short-sightedness (or stupidity :-) ) can be reined in [in today's real world]? On 6/11/[masked]:56, Sigrid D Sigrid C. Jun 11, 2015 6:02 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ The Barefoot Economist - On 6/11/[masked]:05, Siva wrote: > The relevant question is how such theft can ACTUALLY be stopped in > today's real world Sigrid C. Jun 11, 2015 5:56 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ The Barefoot Economist - Before ANY "human-oriented economic system" can be proposed, it has to be enforceable (workable) within a world where greed and short-sightedness exists. In other words, the system must be INHERENTLY immune to ANY attempt to compromise it. Otherw Siva Jun 11, 2015 3:04 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Tonight - On 6/10/[masked]:48, Siva wrote: > Can't make it there today either, but lemme know how it goes. > > Siva > > On 6/10/15, Sigrid Coats wrote: >> Hope you'll get over it soon. We'll miss you. >> Sigrid >> >> On 6/1 Sigrid C. Jun 11, 2015 2:41 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ The Barefoot Economist - Preview not available Sigrid C. Jun 11, 2015 2:29 PM
The Barefoot Economist - Last night, Sigrid presented us with three questions f Paul B. Jun 11, 2015 1:17 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Tonight - Can't make it there today either, but lemme know how it goes. Siva On 6/10/15, Sigrid Coats wrote: > Hope you'll get over it soon. We'll miss you. > Sigrid > > On 6/10/[masked]:45, Jon Anderson wrote: >> Due to a so Siva Jun 10, 2015 6:48 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Tonight - Hope you'll get over it soon. We'll miss you. Sigrid Sigrid C. Jun 10, 2015 5:21 PM
Tonight - Due to a sore throat/cold I cannot join you tonight. I look forward to seeing you next week! As for tonight, make me wish I were there! Jon Jon A. Jun 10, 2015 4:45 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ immigration law questions - On 6/9/15, Paul Brown wrote: > This is an excerpt from the New York Times on the refugee crisis in Europe. > "The seemingly unending flow of migrants, on top of earlier flows by > economic migrants desperately seeking entry to Europ Siva Jun 9, 2015 4:24 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ immigration law questions - Preview not available Paul B. Jun 9, 2015 1:40 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ immigration law questions - Preview not available Paul B. Jun 5, 2015 1:49 PM
immigration law questions - Preview not available Sigrid C. Jun 3, 2015 10:33 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Will Robots Make A Heaven On Earth? - Paul, if I remember right, Capitalism has a necessity of a certain percent of the populace unemployed. (Can't recall what that is.) In fact, as journalists know, the reported rate of unemployment is always under by about five percent, a Word Warrior M. May 31, 2015 3:17 AM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Will Robots Make A Heaven On Earth? - There are some problems with a purely free market Paul B. May 24, 2015 2:58 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Will Robots Make A Heaven On Earth? - Thank you for this, Gail. Jon ============================ If there is a proble Jon A. May 24, 2015 2:26 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Will Robots Make A Heaven On Earth? - Skimming this good thread, and on topic of economics want to add nice article: Word Warrior M. May 23, 2015 7:09 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Will Robots Make A Heaven On Earth? - Siva, I find your comments very i John H. May 22, 2015 2:37 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Will Robots Make A Heaven On Earth? - Preview not available Paul B. May 22, 2015 2:33 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Will Robots Make A Heaven On Earth? - Preview not available Doug K May 22, 2015 2:08 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Will Robots Make A Heaven On Earth? - On 5/22/15, Sigrid Coats wrote: > Siva, isn't free market simply an idealized form of market economy, a > kind of utopia? A free market system just means an economic system where where stealing money (INCLUDING a govern Siva May 22, 2015 12:54 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Will Robots Make A Heaven On Earth? - Siva, isn't free market simply an idealized form of market economy, a kind of utopia? Can you envision a free market reality? As to the improvement of robots, people seem to believe in their ideal construction and function, before anything like it i Sigrid C. May 22, 2015 9:37 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Will Robots Make A Heaven On Earth? - On 5/21/15, Paul Brown wrote: > This week we discussed Thor's question, "Why will robotics create a > Heaven on Earth?" Thor said that improvements in robotics will lower the > length of the work-week to 10 hours. With robots t Siva May 22, 2015 8:59 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Will Robots Make A Heaven On Earth? - Preview not available Sigrid C. May 22, 2015 8:10 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Will Robots Make A Heaven On Earth? - Sorry I missed the conversation. Oddly enough, robotics or not, I have John H. May 21, 2015 9:25 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Will Robots Make A Heaven On Earth? - Many people like working because it provides structure, a sense of serv Mike M. May 21, 2015 5:29 PM
Will Robots Make A Heaven On Earth? - This week we discussed Thor's question, " Paul B. May 21, 2015 4:39 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - Preview not available Doug K May 19, 2015 2:01 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - Doug, When you write " If I had not seen the input from the other s Jon A. May 19, 2015 6:56 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - Doug, Thanks for writing more responsibly. Your arguments can be better understood this way. It also goes a good way down Jon A. May 19, 2015 6:43 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - Preview not available Doug K May 19, 2015 3:14 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - Doug, you seem to present a position that I'd call a false dichotomy: someone either supports everything the nation of Israel does or they hate all Jewish people; you're either "pro-Israel" or support jihadists and want Is Word Warrior M. May 19, 2015 12:17 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - Preview not available Doug K May 18, 2015 10:50 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - Okay, Doug. I am far from an expert on the Mideast. In fact, the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is so thorny that I have kind of tuned out. But let me offer some principles on which you can comment: 1. You cannot force some Paul S. May 18, 2015 8:48 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - Preview not available Doug K May 18, 2015 7:38 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - Thanks Doug. Could you elaborate on how the Barbary Wars are analogous to the current conflict? Weren't the Barbary pirates motivated primarily by ransom, not ideology? And weren't the Barbary wars settled by negotiation? Didn't Paul S. May 18, 2015 5:40 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - Preview not available Doug K May 18, 2015 3:21 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - Doug--I am coming into this late and am somewhat reluctant to join in but in your view what is the ultimate solution to Islamic extremism? Paul S. May 18, 2015 3:03 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - Preview not available Doug K May 18, 2015 2:54 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - Preview not available Doug K May 18, 2015 2:46 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - With our goal being civil and respectful discuss Paul B. May 18, 2015 2:08 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - This is starting to feel masochistic. John H. May 18, 2015 1:35 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - Preview not available Doug K May 18, 2015 11:30 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - Upsets within social presets can be like coffee, pre-courtships; as well as a whole..; but regardless, if the math and the psychometric were Black J. May 18, 2015 10:34 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - Just now saw this and I have no desire to participate in personal recriminations or ad hominem attacks, nor do I feel any need to defend myself against what are obviously at a logical level baseless accusations. I'll conti Word Warrior M. May 18, 2015 6:52 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - Hear hear! Jon ============================ If there is a problem and you can't do an Jon A. May 18, 2015 5:59 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - On 5/17/15, Doug K wrote: > I would suspect Iran supplying missiles and other other weaponry to Hamas > might be indicative of real intentions, That would only be the case if HAMAS were taking credible steps toward elimina Siva May 17, 2015 3:51 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - Hello Doug, I don't remember if I have ever met you at the group. Perhaps one day I will.  Speaki Sigrid C. May 17, 2015 3:42 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - Who are you apologizing to? You claimed that some us wish genocide of Jews but haven't provided any evidence for it. Cite. I'm waiting... On 5/17/15, Doug K wrote: > I apologize if I have hurt the feelings of those who w Siva May 17, 2015 3:35 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - Preview not available Doug K May 17, 2015 3:01 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - Preview not available Doug K May 17, 2015 2:58 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - Regarding John's suggestion, I recommend that the Socrates Café Group spend one evening in coming up Sigrid C. May 17, 2015 1:51 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - On 5/17/15, Doug K wrote: > It is glaringly obvious that you are willfully ignoring the fact that the > palestinian muslim jihadi nutjobs are bend on the genocide of Jews. If there are, in fact, "muslim jihadi nutjobs" bent Siva May 17, 2015 1:40 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - The purpose of this group, as I understand it, is to engage in John H. May 17, 2015 1:24 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - On 5/16/15, Doug K wrote: > The representatives of the muslim jihadi nutjobs in the UN outnumber and > outvote the representative of Israel. True, but for the Israeli regime to be outvoted in the UN, there would have to be Siva May 17, 2015 1:15 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - On 5/16/15, Doug K wrote: > In your worldview, the fight is more fair then if more Jews are killed. If > the muslim jihadi nutjob palestinians don't want their women and children > killed, then they should not launch their m Siva May 17, 2015 12:43 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Violence: The Solution - This has become loathsome; and it is your fault. This started Mike M. May 17, 2015 12:06 PM

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