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RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Kim Davis - Jon, The fact that brief incarc Paul B. Sep 14, 2015 2:57 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Kim Davis - I don't take it seriously, either. Religious freedom in the US has never been interpreted by any court to apply to the services provided by local governments. Furthermore, in right-wing speak, "religious freedom" simply means "having the ability to Siva Sep 12, 2015 8:51 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Kim Davis - Paul, Brief incarceration is common for the offense known as contempt of court. It is imposed whenever a judge decides som Jon A. Sep 12, 2015 8:28 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Kim Davis - Paul B. Sep 12, 2015 12:54 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Kim Davis - Sometimes pictures are better than words? http://www.dailykos.com/story/­2015/09/11/1420244/-One-Of- Word Warrior M. Sep 12, 2015 3:46 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Kim Davis - Paul, Jon A. Sep 11, 2015 10:39 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Kim Davis - Jon, If we weren't here, we'd jus Paul B. Sep 11, 2015 3:28 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Kim Davis - Paul, This woman is in no way powerless. According to Kentucky law, she is THE county authority concerning the issuance of licenses. She singlehandedly denied marriage licenses, ordering her deputies to do the same. She is guilty of abusing that power. Jon A. Sep 11, 2015 2:45 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Kim Davis - I share Jon and Gail's frustration Paul B. Sep 11, 2015 1:48 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Kim Davis - A reporter gets to withhold sources of information in order to maintain first amendment protections. No such dynamic exists for the actions of this Jon A. Sep 11, 2015 8:13 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Kim Davis - I can't honestly believe anyone is taking Davis's situation as something serious to ponder. She took on a JOB (that certainly even involved oath-taking), and if her conscience prevents her, she needs to look for other work! Why Word Warrior M. Sep 11, 2015 1:14 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ What we said, 8/26/15 - Finally looked at this thread, and want to just give a few quick retorts. Sorry haven't been making it lately. When my MS presses on me, things easily become overwhelming so I re Word Warrior M. Sep 11, 2015 1:08 AM
Kim Davis - Kim Davis' incarceration and the events leading up to Paul B. Sep 10, 2015 1:07 PM
Who Do You Answer To? - Our discussion this week was on Tor's question, "Who d Paul B. Sep 4, 2015 1:33 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ What we said, 8/26/15 - Preview not available Paul B. Sep 1, 2015 11:32 AM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ What we said, 8/26/15 - Socrates thought that virtue could not be taught or learned Paul B. Aug 30, 2015 9:50 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ What we said, 8/26/15 - hmmm, if according to Socrates "...virtue comes to the virtuous by the gift of God," how can that ind Sigrid C. Aug 30, 2015 9:06 PM
Re: RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ What we said, 8/26/15 - "Slaves had no sense of agency"?? Slaves had no agency.... (Not subjective.) I've LONG thought (decades) that whole groups of people suffering chronic trauma still suffered effects generationally long time after. Way before science of it Word Warrior M. Aug 30, 2015 7:54 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ What we said, 8/26/15 - We have little control over nature and so attributing Paul B. Aug 29, 2015 2:07 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ What they said at the Burnsville SC, 8/25/15 - I think you and I agree, fundamentally, Stan. If we disagree at all it looks like it'll be on style, not substance. Thanks for your thoughts. Jon A. Aug 29, 2015 10:26 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ What they said at the Burnsville SC, 8/25/15 - Stan S. Aug 29, 2015 10:17 AM
What they said at the Burnsville SC, 8/25/15 -   6. Is it OK to require students to read books they find offensive?10/   We all have to read uncomfortable stuff in college. So why are we taking the opinion of ei Jon A. Aug 28, 2015 10:46 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ What we said, 8/26/15 - Adding to Jon's excellent summary: When thinking of nurture, we need to include the power of inner at Sigrid C. Aug 28, 2015 9:56 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ What we said, 8/26/15 - Kathy, Had you been in attendance you would have witnessed our agreement that the word "environment" is preferable to "nur Jon A. Aug 28, 2015 9:53 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ What we said, 8/26/15 - The phrase "nature and nurture" is a convenient jingle of wo Paul B. Aug 28, 2015 9:44 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ What we said, 8/26/15 - Again an oversimplified answer from a complex debate. The nature versus nurture debate has been raging since Freudian times and since we continue testing the debate it proves the argument  is far from over. Not only saying the debate rests in favor  of Kathy N. Aug 28, 2015 7:21 PM
What we said, 8/26/15 - 3. Is nurture gaining credibility over nature?9 Epigenetics is a science interested in what triggers or prevents the expression of particular genes. Experiments have been done to demonstrate the ways environmental factors can change biology. Jon A. Aug 28, 2015 3:21 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ North Dakota Socialist History - Hurrah for History!! Chris Haukoos On Aug 22, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Paul Brown < pjbrown23@ms Chris Aug 22, 2015 5:19 PM
North Dakota Socialist History - Paul B. Aug 22, 2015 2:18 PM
Immigration - Paul B. Aug 20, 2015 11:59 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ What we said, 8/19/15 - Red state conservatives who are planning to vote for Trump in the hopes that he will deport all undocumented immigrants, repeal birthright citizenship, and destroy ISIS and Islam are misguided. If they want all these things to happen (i. e. to make A Siva Aug 20, 2015 10:22 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ What we said, 8/19/15 - I thought of another reason for this paradox, of paying attention to someone who makes a lot of Sigrid C. Aug 20, 2015 9:49 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Immigration - It doesn't matter. Latino voters will be one of the DECISIVE (if not the ONLY decisive) factors in the 2016 general election, and they'll crush Trump like an ant. Trump's comments are widely offensive to them (big surprise?!). . . "Nationwide, ne Siva Aug 20, 2015 7:57 AM
What we said, 8/19/15 - When the GOP presidential contenders figure out what The Donald is doing, they will be able to defeat him, right? Anything The Donald says is either funny, contemptible, or engaging. The man apparently best understands, among his competitors, Jon A. Aug 20, 2015 7:29 AM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Immigration - Tor Aug 20, 2015 1:04 AM
Immigration - Preview not available Paul B. Aug 20, 2015 12:15 AM
What they said in Burnsville, 8/18/15 - 1. Is physics enough for explaining everything?5 Of course not! Constructive misunderstanding can be a very good way to solve problems. It's the random, the surprise, the unlikely. Science will never explain those things. Even t Jon A. Aug 19, 2015 9:07 AM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Madison's Notes - Paul B. Aug 18, 2015 12:45 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Why are we here? - Just read Siva's "sermon" and got to say: lovely!   -Gail Word Warrior M. Aug 17, 2015 3:29 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Madison's Notes - Oops, just noticed: shoulda used common sense as two words cuz it was noun. Word Warrior M. Aug 17, 2015 2:27 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Madison's Notes - Thanks for that link, Siva. I was vaguely aware of that concept of a living constitution but never bothered to read up on it before. To me, it simply seems like commonsense? As for the founders, ta Word Warrior M. Aug 17, 2015 2:24 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Madison's Notes - One doesn't need to know these statements to recognize that the Founders wanted a plutocratic system. It's evident from Article 1, Section 8. If the Founders truly felt that the people lacked the judgement to directly control their government, i. e Siva Aug 16, 2015 10:28 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Madison's Notes - On 8/15/15, Word Warrior Mama wrote: > Oh wait... also implicit to any thinking human being? That the Constitution > in original form was not perfect and thus it--and we--must continually That interpretation is based on the notion Siva Aug 16, 2015 10:03 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Madison's Notes - Oh wait... also implicit to any thinking human being? That the Constitution in original form was not perfect and thus it--and we--must continually evolve toward our ever changing concept of perfection. (Don't report me to the RNC, please.) -Gail. ; Word Warrior M. Aug 15, 2015 6:46 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Madison's Notes - The oligarchy is also implicit in the fact that the founding fathers left out the founding mothers, ordaining that the only voters would be: male... and landed (owning land).  -Gail On Aug 15,[masked]:05 PM, "Paul Bro Word Warrior M. Aug 15, 2015 6:40 PM
Madison's Notes - The roots of the American Oligarchy can be traced to o Paul B. Aug 15, 2015 3:04 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ American Oligarchy - Tor Aug 14, 2015 5:30 AM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ American Oligarchy - Preview not available Paul B. Aug 13, 2015 11:32 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ American Oligarchy - Tor Aug 13, 2015 11:13 PM
American Oligarchy - The Iron Law Of Oligarchy put forth by Robert Michels, Paul B. Aug 13, 2015 11:04 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Democratic Socialist vs. Democrat - When my visa application for the US was scrutinized, I was informed that the US was a REPUBLIC. Aristotle once said: I love Plato, but I love truth more (or trvt for you purists--it was much more difficult to inscribe a marble sculpture with a curved u r Tor Aug 13, 2015 5:29 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Democratic Socialist vs. Democrat - On 8/13/15, Paul Brown wrote: > Is Bernie Sanders a Democratic Socialist or Social Democrat? It makes a big > difference and for the record, he is a Democratic Socialist. The Democratic > Party in the United States promotes Social Siva Aug 13, 2015 4:24 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Democratic Socialist vs. Democrat - Tor Aug 13, 2015 3:21 PM
Democratic Socialist vs. Democrat - Is Bernie Sanders a Democratic Socialist or Social Dem Paul B. Aug 13, 2015 2:22 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Why are we here? - Siva, thanks for sharing this great sermon. (Unity, Parker Palmer, Tippet, Marianne Williamson, etc. are all familiar to me). Sigrid On 8/11/[masked]:56, Siva wrote: > The question of how one can derive meaning in life (as well as the > definition o Sigrid C. Aug 11, 2015 10:33 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Why are we here? - The sermon was delivered by a woman named Helen Pohlig who has been a member of the St Paul Unity Church for some time. I imagine she wrote it herself, w/the exception of the quotes/passages from other sources that she cites. Siva On 8/11/15, To Siva Aug 11, 2015 8:49 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Why are we here? - Who is the author of the sermon? Sent from my iPad > On Aug 11, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Siva wrote: > > The question of how one can derive meaning in life (as well as the > definition of "meaning") has, at times, been a hot topic Tor Aug 11, 2015 5:57 PM
Why are we here? - The question of how one can derive meaning in life (as well as the definition of "meaning") has, at times, been a hot topic in our group. Last Sunday, at the church I attend, a sermon was delivered that addressed this topic directly. It's, of course Siva Aug 11, 2015 4:56 PM
The sharing economy - http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08­/09/technology/twisting-wor Jon A. Aug 8, 2015 11:00 AM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ What we said, 8/5/15 - In just a few years Uber and Lyft will be obsolete, rep Paul B. Aug 7, 2015 1:17 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ What we said, 8/5/15 - YES! So gov't regulation is NOT needed. I did not agree w/Paul when he said "Taking that responsibility out of the hands of the employer and placing it in the hands of government, would make both worker and employer more flexible." It goes w/out s Siva Aug 7, 2015 9:49 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ What we said, 8/5/15 - Siva, Uber does have competition from Lyft. They can compete with each other by raising the pay and benefits they give their drivers. Jon A. Aug 7, 2015 8:17 AM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ What we said, 8/5/15 - Services like Uber will bring welcome and needed compet Paul B. Aug 6, 2015 12:56 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ What we said, 8/5/15 - Sorry I couldn't be there for last night's discussion. I just wanted to point out that in order to have a decent (competitive) free market in which there are huge wealth disparities (which may have resulted from past instances of crony capitalism--s Siva Aug 6, 2015 8:36 AM
What we said, 8/5/15 - 4. What is it that will revolutionize capitalism?5 Uber -- the threat to taxi drivers worldwide -- is the purest kind of capitalism. The car we drive might no longer be a pure money drain. Instead, we can make money with it. Airbnb, the Inter Jon A. Aug 6, 2015 8:01 AM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Ethics - I think we agree that intentions are not as important a Paul B. Jul 31, 2015 2:18 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ What we said, 7/29/15 - Sigrid C. Jul 31, 2015 8:56 AM
What we said, 7/29/15 - How do we -- each of us -- decide what is moral? Deontology, Nicomachean Ethic, and Consequentialism are the three philosophical schools of human morality. Nicomachean ethics are "better" than Christianty's mere 10 comman Jon A. Jul 31, 2015 6:54 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Ethics - After skimming most of these, have a couple things come to mind. WHY do we have to always fall into dichotomies when talking ethics? I still maintain that when admitting the reality of a wholeness paradigm, of the int Word Warrior M. Jul 31, 2015 6:01 AM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Ethics - Preview not available Paul B. Jul 30, 2015 12:49 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Ethics - Sigrid C. Jul 30, 2015 11:05 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Ethics - I believe people need to periodically AUDIT their moral code. If a person imposes a particular rule or behavioral prohibition on him/herself, but then later discovers that he/she cannot realistically abide by it (i. e. because it has negative consequ Siva Jul 30, 2015 10:04 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Ethics - Preview not available Sigrid C. Jul 30, 2015 9:41 AM
Ethics - Preview not available Paul B. Jul 29, 2015 11:31 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Distributive Justice - Tor Jul 25, 2015 1:28 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Distributive Justice - Good to hear from you, Gail. Yes, equal distribution of oppo Paul B. Jul 25, 2015 12:00 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Distributive Justice - On 7/24/15, Word Warrior Mama wrote: > I've gotta stop even glancing at these cuz I get swept up and I've got > stuff to do! ;) > > But . . . > > "Being susceptible to manipulation and deception falls into the category > of liv Siva Jul 25, 2015 11:05 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Distributive Justice - This discussion raises a lot of questions for me: "Is there something like the best possible social c Sigrid C. Jul 25, 2015 7:25 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Distributive Justice - Gail, Paul, Siva, Chris, Tor, and Sigrid - I Stan S. Jul 25, 2015 1:27 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Something in here to discuss? - Oh and LOVE Grapes of Wrath quote, Paul! Wish we had a Steinbeck these days. On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 12:24 AM, etymon2 . < Word Warrior M. Jul 25, 2015 12:25 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Something in here to discuss? - Kathy, used to spend time as teen on such Gordian knots, paradoxes, but eventually came to realize we simply need to cut right through them.  -Gail Word Warrior M. Jul 25, 2015 12:24 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Distributive Justice - Damn! Was getting up to go then had a (recurring) thought . . . Assuming some implications of the new physics are true and everything is connected not only by a theoretical but an actual unified field . . . IF we're all connected biolog Word Warrior M. Jul 25, 2015 12:03 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Distributive Justice - I've gotta stop even glancing at these cuz I get swept up and I've got stuff to do! ;) But . . .   "Being susceptibl Word Warrior M. Jul 24, 2015 11:53 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ http://www.theguardian.com/boo­ks/2015/jul/17/postcapitalism-­end-of-capitalism-begun - After reading all this, of course I relate it to my own experience, trying to build on that matrix of learning I'm forming throughout my life? How much can people be manipulated by fe Word Warrior M. Jul 24, 2015 10:48 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Distributive Justice - Preview not available Paul B. Jul 24, 2015 10:48 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Distributive Justice - It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, the wealthy powerful individual, or the red-state GOPer that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. — Adam Smith (paraphrased) Stan (I’m a newbie - hi all) > Stan S. Jul 24, 2015 8:01 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/boo­ks/2015/jul/17/postcapitalism-­end-of-capitalism-begun - My suggestion for a future topic. -----Original Message----- From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Siva Sent: Thursday, July 23,[masked]:27 PM To: The-Saint-Paul-Socrate Tor Jul 24, 2015 2:52 AM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Distributive Justice - On 7/23/15, Sigrid Coats wrote: > Siva, I think that view is too simplistic. Every human being is > potentially affected by the complete gamut of human behaviors, and has > to work hard to allow for the better to dominate. Siva Jul 23, 2015 11:27 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Distributive Justice - On 7/23/15, Paul Brown wrote: > > Blackmailing politicians is not as easy as it use to be. Barney Frank was > reelected to Congress after coming out as gay, Frank's district has always been staunchly liberal, so his homosexualit Siva Jul 23, 2015 11:10 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Distributive Justice - Hello All! What do you think of this article? (Make sure to read the whole article, not just the headline.) I somewhat agree with the argument for Chris Jul 23, 2015 10:36 PM
RE: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Distributive Justice - Blackmailing politicians is not as easy as it use to be. Paul B. Jul 23, 2015 8:29 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Distributive Justice - For whatever it's worth, I've never seen comments from Tor except fairly recently, a line or two. Sorry didn't make it yesterday. Next week!  -Gail Word Warrior M. Jul 23, 2015 7:57 PM
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Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Distributive Justice - Preview not available Tor Jul 23, 2015 7:14 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Distributive Justice - About 20 per cent of people appear to be dumb and craven, and could possibly be helped by a generous bribe. Sent from my iPad > On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:38 PM, Sigrid Coats wrote: > > Siva, I think that view is to Tor Jul 23, 2015 7:08 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Distributive Justice - Siva, I think that view is too simplistic. Every human being is potentially affected by the complete gamut of human behaviors, and has to work hard to allow for the better to dominate. There is no simple "either/or." Rules and regulations, virtues, e Sigrid C. Jul 23, 2015 6:38 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Distributive Justice - On 7/23/15, Sigrid Coats wrote: > Siva, to call fear a tool is a leap of faith. > I see fear as a basic feeling. > Fear can be aroused by a myriad of causes, and they can be man-made > in order to manipulate other human b Siva Jul 23, 2015 5:31 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Distributive Justice - Siva, to call fear a tool is Sigrid C. Jul 23, 2015 5:18 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Distributive Justice - On 7/23/15, Sigrid Coats wrote: > Paul, a good system has to have safeguards (regulations) installed, > which prevent corruption. Punishment, fighting, etc. usually are > measures taken after the fact. Good education is on Siva Jul 23, 2015 3:08 PM
Re: [The-Saint-Paul-Socrates-Cafe]­ Distributive Justice - Preview not available Sigrid C. Jul 23, 2015 2:22 PM

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