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Debate topic: Do the wealthy pay their fair share of taxes?

On Thursday April 25th at the Moose Lodge near the corner of Aero Drive and Ruffin Rd. in Kearny Mesa, we will debate whether the wealthy pay their fair share of taxes. We will have 4 experts on the issue presenting their views along with 6 seated liberals and 6 seated conservatives on a panel. Please join us and be part of the audience. We will have a segment of audience participation where you can raise your hand and speak over a microphone to everyone in the room - or you can just observe. If you plan to attend, please RSVP.

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  • Joseph B.

    Hi Michael, I appreciate your advice but my challenge is not in "ferreting out logic from emotion." Rather, I am always left with the awareness that belief is "almost" a fixed thing...until someone is ready, or has an experience, that changes his belief. Dennis Prager's success is different than such debates because he has an already engaged audience who comes to him mostly because they already believe his views. Secondly, Dennis Prager, like Michael Medved are both perfect examples of changing their positions once life experience taught them their beliefs were full of errors. Both were liberals for a very long time. Furthermore, the left does not "believe" they are breaking down the rules that make is American. They believe in other principles of what being an American is all about. Many of my family and closest friends are liberals. Dennis Prager shows how news and Christians can cooperate on similar grounds. Who is going to bring liberals and conservatives to such cooperation?

    April 29, 2013

    • michael h.

      I too was liberal until about 15 years ago. But my change came after the emotional barrier was hurdled. Dennis does have moderate listeners and liberal listeners. We need to distinguish liberals (in the JFK mode) from leftists and progressives. The Dem party leadership of 1962 has little in common with the Dem leadership today. Google JFK's inauguration speech and speech to the New York Economic Club in 61 or 62. Today both would be considered conservative in tone and content. Many liberals can be reached. However our most important audience is the 35-45% who are not ideologically tied to either side. That is who can be convinced with reason, civility and a touch of wisdom.

      April 29, 2013

    • michael h.

      Dennis was a liberal for a good portion of his life. As were Medved, Sowell, D. Horowitz, and of course to neocons. I am not sure if Reagan was the first Republican Dennis voted for but he was liberal for much of his life. As I said, liberal as in JFK not Barack Obama. If you look at his web sight you can find a test he gives, "Am I a liberal". It is very instructive.

      April 29, 2013

  • Joseph B.

    I enjoyed the topic and I enjoyed the debate. Having said this, I left feeling the same way I always do: same arguments, same use of facts by both sides, same polar standoff based on belief. Who is helped by this debate? How can we get beyond taking sides and how can we accomplish something practical. To me, it is not practical, nor constructive because there are no conclusions drawn, nor any solutions. Also, following Dale Carnegie's, HOW TO WIN FRIENDS platform, nobody gained any new allies.

    April 27, 2013

    • michael h.

      Joseph, as a participant I have a few suggestions. First and most importantly try to set ferret out the emotions from the logic. Second, examine how unique, successful, free, and opportunity producing America is and has been. then examine what those unique characteristics are. As Dennis Prager has so insightfully suggested - "liberty", "in God we Trust" and "from many one" are the building blocks that have make America the envy of the world. So, as you listen to argument, asses whether the suggested solutions build on or tear down our essence.

      1 · April 27, 2013

    • Joseph B.

      Stephen, I cannot find this discussions link.

      April 29, 2013

  • Joseph B.

    Hi Michael,

    April 27, 2013

  • stephen k.

    Just posted a question on the discussions link about Right or Wrong, What's Right with it and What's Wrong with it.

    April 27, 2013

  • Celeste L.

    This was a wonderful experience to be apart of and I look forward to continuing attendance. Another thing, I was not able to get more information about the discussion group mentioned at the beginning before the debate...civilized something or other. Can anyone give me more information? I would greatly appreciate it.

    April 25, 2013

    • Bill D.

      Hi Celeste - The Civilized Conversation group meets every Monday at 7:00 P.M. at Coco's Restaurant, 10430 Friar's Rd. near the Kaiser hospital in Grantville. They also have a blog with more information about topics. If you Google it, I think you will find the blog.

      April 25, 2013

    • Celeste L.

      Great. Thank you.

      April 25, 2013

  • stephen k.

    i'LL GO TO SOME MORE.

    April 25, 2013

  • Joseph B.

    Always interested in the development of ideas and healthy, open minded debate.

    April 25, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Can't wait!

    April 23, 2013

  • Debbie R.

    This meeting sounds interesting. Looking forward to it!

    April 16, 2013

  • Everette Dale D.

    What are the ages of the panelist(s) and the "experts" for the Aprilil 25th debate?

    March 29, 2013

    • John K. S.

      We are working on it, will advise

      March 29, 2013

    • John K. S.

      We need more under 30's to get engaged, help us if you can Dale

      April 7, 2013

  • Rich

    sounds like fun

    April 5, 2013

  • Peter C.

    *****I doubt I'll be at that initial gathering. Keep me posted for future topics.

    March 29, 2013

  • David G.

    I will be the debate's moderator. Closer to our mtg, i will post here in comments some background articles on who pays what in taxes in the U.S. I also will give a brief introduction at the debate to frame the issue, give a few numbers, etc.

    1 · March 28, 2013

  • Phillip M.

    Since the American Revolution was in behalf of taxation, just what is a fair share of income to taxes? We had a 91% tax rate after WW!! and now it's down to 39% (which many get around by loopholes in the Tax Code).

    March 28, 2013

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