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The Moral Path: Virtues and Vices

  • May 16, 2013 · 7:00 PM
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Are there paths of least difficulty or risk in the moral adventure that a moral traveler can take? Are there well-worn paths that others have taken, or must the traveler make unique paths alone? Following the leads from the meeting "Stylized Action" (Jan. 10), we will discuss next virtues and vices. What are they?

The main challenge to understanding virtues and vices is to understand what their relationships are to an ethical system. Are virtues even necessary; are vices necessarily discommended? Can an ethical system be complete without them? Among systems that accommodate them, can a virtue in one system turn out to be a vice in another? How are virtues and vices to be evaluated? How do they relate to actions, to values, to the passions, to reason, to other virtues and vices? Are there multiply many virtues and many vices, or is there but one virtue, one vice? How is one to acquire virtue; how is one to lose vice?

 

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  • Patricia

    Great meeting. I am still interested in exploring the way rules and principles are incorporated, assimilated and internalized in the human experience. How does everyone get to that main driving principle? This is a fascinating topic. Thank you to everyone for making it so interesting.

    May 17, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    This meeting was actually pretty good. It established a deeper base to the notion of virtue than we are generally accustom.

    1 · May 17, 2013

  • Tom O.

    We described virtues and vices in terms of premises of action, styles, and settled dispositions in the subconscious. Virtues identify for the actor the facts relevant to the purpose at hand and thus give guidance to the appropriate action in the present circumstance. Vices bring forth errors and irrelevancies, misdirecting efforts from goals. Virtues and vices are not habits; but it may take a habit to displace another habit in order for a virtue or vice to be placed, settled, and stylized.

    1 · May 16, 2013

  • Dave

    Very interesting discussion

    May 16, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    The concepts are too worthy and important. The explanations were too convoluted and wordy.

    May 16, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Tom, MY COMMENTS IN CAPS. The main challenge to understanding virtues and vices is to understand what their relationships are to an ethical system. YES, VERY IMPORTANT. Are virtues even necessary. YES; are vices necessarily discommended? NO NECESSARILY DISCOMMENDED, BUT SHOWN TO BE ‘’NOT QUITE RIGHT’’. Can an ethical system be complete without them? YES, A TOTALLY LOGICAL ETHICAL SYSTEM CAN BE DEVELOPED BY THE INDIVIDUAL WITHOUT THE 180 DEGREE JUXTAPOSITION THAT IS THE APPROACH IMPLIED BY ‘’VIRTUES AND VICES. Among systems that accommodate them, can a virtue in one system turn out to be a vice in another? MOOT POINT, UNLESS ALL PARTICIPANTS AGREE ON THE DEFINITIONS, THEN NO, . How are virtues and vices to be evaluated? IN THE CULTURE, THE ANSWER WOULD BE BY AGREED UPON DEFINITION, BECAUSE INDIVIDUALS WILL INTERPRET THE QUESTION DIFFERENTLY. AN INDIVIDUAL’S SELF-EVALUATION WILL TELL HIM/HER BY THE WAY OF HOW HE/SHE FEELS (I.E., HOW HAPPY, HOW CONTENT, HOW PROUD). MORE LATER

    May 16, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Quote Schopenhauer; ''Men of learning are those who have read the contents of books. Thinkers, geniuses, and those who have enlightened the world and furthered the race of men, are those who have made direct use of the book of the world.

    May 16, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    quote Schopenhauer; ''But truth acquired by thinking of our own is like a natural limb; it alone really belongs to us. This is the fundamental difference between the thinker and the mere man of learning. The intellectual attainments of a man who thinks for himself resemble a fine painting, where the light and shade are correct, the tone sustained, the colour perfectly harmonised; it is true to life. On the other hand, the intellectual attainments of the mere man of learning are like a large palette, full of all sorts of colours, which at most are systematically arranged, but devoid of harmony, connection and meaning.''

    May 16, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Quote Schopenhauer; ''Every true thinker for himself is so far like a monarch; he is absolute, and recognises nobody above him. His judgments, like the decrees of a monarch, spring from his own sovereign power and proceed directly from himself. He takes as little notice of authority as a monarch does of a command; nothing is valid unless he has himself authorised it. On the other hand, those of vulgar minds, who are swayed by all kinds of current opinions, authorities, and prejudices, are like the people which in silence obey the law and commands.''

    May 16, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    I think I've used up my "car rations" and I want to finish reading a couple of philosophy books that are due Saturday, and I already promised a friend I'd be available to help move furniture if needed. (... = not going.) Do "good" without me.

    May 16, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    I'm on call this week. I only be able to go if I get one of our cars for the evening and I may need to take a call and possibly leave the meeting.

    May 7, 2013

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