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New Meetup: Connecting with Your Higher Self - Workshop - Announcing a new Meetup for The Philosophy & Metaphysics discussion group! What : Connecting with Your Higher Self - Workshop riaana p. Apr 12, 2016 10:42 PM
New Meetup: Talk: Keeping It Real? - Announcing a new Meetup for The Philosophy & Metaphysics discussion group! What : Talk: Keeping It Real? When riaana p. Apr 11, 2016 9:21 PM
Philosophy Shop Magazine - Welcome 2016 As we speed off into the new year, we hope you all had a fantastic festive season with your friends and loved ones. Our latest magazine is hot off the digital press, we hope you read it and enjoy the articles, and that we s Guy H. Jan 15, 2016 11:22 PM
RE: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] Happy New Year! - Good morning, Thank you for email. I am not able to see when is a group get together. Namaste Petro Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone ---- Petro wrote ---- Petro Jan 3, 2016 7:36 AM
RE: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] Happy New Year! - Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone ---- Michael Herd wrote ---- Petro Jan 1, 2016 8:34 PM
Happy New Year! - "The Universe is Dancing in a Ceremony of Life and Harmony." ~ JAL Wishing you all Michael H. Jan 1, 2016 5:30 AM
RE: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] Looking for a new organizer - Robert Jul 16, 2014 3:30 PM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] Looking for a new organizer - Hi All. I am doing Free 15 minute Numerology readings at the following venue on Saturdays between 10.00 a.m. and 3.00 p.m. Alchemy Esoteric Shoppe and Welln Magan D. Jul 16, 2014 1:58 PM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] Looking for a new organizer - Hi Judy Jul 16, 2014 11:16 AM
RE: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] Looking for a new organizer - Hello My name is ishmael Alison,i stay in johannesburg,soweto.i was born in a muslim family.i subscribed to spiritual meetups online so that i could get to people from johannesburg or closer who are spiritually enlightened but it is quite hard,so i was r user 1. Jul 16, 2014 12:05 AM
Looking for a new organizer - Hi Everyone First off sincere apologies I haven't been very active on this. Alot has been happening in my life lots of changes travel etc... and it saddens me that I cannot give this the attention it truly deserves. All of you deserve alot bett Sandia Jul 15, 2014 11:30 PM
clarification - I would advise people who want to be "spiritual" to adopt an ethical and sober lifestyle, work hard, and perhaps join a church or become involved in one's local religious community. I would strongly caution against "new age" thinking and drug use. Unfo Alex V. Sep 1, 2013 10:44 AM
Should this site keep BK - Brahma Khumari Institute on our calendar and community? - Dear Members, In June12 our member Kobus came across a very converning wikipedia article - thank you Kobus!  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B­rahma_Kumaris_World_Spiritual_­Un Sandia Jul 10, 2012 5:15 PM
Receiving too many emails -   Dear Members Alot of events are now happening on the site. If you are getting too many emails from this meetup site - it is because your options to get emails are all ac Sandia Jun 7, 2012 11:57 AM
Now Shows - Dear Members Some members rsvp yes - but do not show up. They dont mean this deliberately I am sure. Its just an oversight on their part. But we still have to keep some basic things in place for this group.   I have sent them Sandia May 21, 2012 12:21 PM
PSYCHIC EVENING AT ANEERA - Hi I could not attend the psychic evening which was held at Aneera about 3 weeks ago. Please let me know how it was. I may want to book an ap Michela May 2, 2012 9:12 PM
Free therapy hypnosis sessions offered - I need a case study - Hi guys, I am in the process of finalising my studies to qualify as a hypnotherapist. I need one last case study, so am offering a session or two to anyone who would like to work on a problem they want to resolve. This could be anything Sharon Apr 27, 2012 8:54 AM
Ian leaving - Dear Members Ian will be leaving to Dubai for business - and unfortunately has to step down as organizer. He will be missed! But we wish him and his family all the best. Ian will still stay on as a member though.   I ha Sandia Apr 23, 2012 11:21 AM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] General Info - v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url (#default#vml) } C03433F9- user 1. Apr 16, 2012 12:00 PM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] General Info - Hi Sandia,   As mentioned before our reasons for joining the forum were to interact in discussions as experienced at only one such venue held with over 40 participants. I posted a few times on such venues we atte Ralph W. Apr 16, 2012 11:49 AM
General Info - Hello Everyone A rare group email from us.. The site is growing daily, which is exciting as this signals that possibly more and more people in Jhb are leaning towards introspection and acting from that  incredible vantage point - rath Sandia Apr 16, 2012 11:10 AM
(no subject) - http://stefanonigaetano.it/loa­de.html user 1. Feb 18, 2012 4:18 AM
Power of Now Series & 30thNov11 meetup - Dear Members, We are running the "Power of Now" series - the online one. Those that did not get the links, or could not download, etc, please send me your personal email and I will send it onto you. It is in both audio and pdf. Sandia Nov 26, 2011 6:38 PM
Metavarsity offer to meetup members - Hello All, Our group activity has received the attendtion of Metavarsity ( Please follow Sandia Oct 31, 2011 2:40 PM
Lessons of Love - v\:* {behavior:url (#default#vml);} C03433F9-52F4- user 1. Sep 14, 2011 2:56 PM
FREE Distance Learning Course COMPETITION - Robert Aug 26, 2011 12:42 PM
Ian added a post - Maybe we can do another SKYPE chat this weekend. I have Sat evening and Sun all day open at the moment. If there is interest could members send a contact invite on SKYPE to ian.fbrennan ? I will co ordinate times with those who contact me on SKYPE to save Ian Aug 18, 2010 10:21 AM
Ian added a post - Uni and I chatted about finding a venue for a meet up. Survey attached - we will be intentional about getting something going <a href=" http://www.surveymonkey.com Ian Aug 7, 2010 7:35 AM
Ian added a post - Uni and I chatted about finding a venue for a meet up. Survey attached - we will be intentional about getting somethong going <a href=" http://www.surveymonkey.com/ Ian Aug 7, 2010 7:34 AM
Ian added a post - Try this survey for SKYPE call - first time I have used so hope it works <a href=" http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/­7GJBMXX">Click here to take survey</a> Ian Aug 6, 2010 7:37 PM
Thomas Samuel wants to stay in touch on LinkedIn - Thomas Jul 29, 2010 8:07 AM
I am in The UK - As I told everybody a month ago, I will be spending a few months in the UK and therefore will not be able to arrange meetings. Our group has grown to the largest it has been and there is a lot of interaction on the site and I will continue to be involved Henk J. May 21, 2010 3:16 PM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] Discussion Board - Dear Henk, Holiday season has taken my time away from the meet-up and now I am back and hope to resume my participation.. It seems to me that it is a good idea to start with another meeting to get to know the new members and their vibes.. Thomas May 15, 2010 8:09 AM
Discussion Board - Hello, I am very happy that we have moved on from the 'Henk Jordaan Blog' appearance of the Meeting site. A number of people have started and joined discussions and the site is beginning to have broader value. The site is coming alive and can Henk J. May 5, 2010 3:48 PM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] Ian's message - Hi Thomas Have not seen you active on the meet up site, you have great expressions about our worldly experience and perhaps if you got involved on the site more people would Ian Apr 27, 2010 10:31 PM
Meetup Cancelled: "What the Bleep do we Know?" - Sorry Guys, As we did not get enough RSVP's, "What the Bleep do we Know?", scheduled to occur on Sunday, April 25,[masked]:00 AM has been cancelled. We will try again next month. Kind regards, H Henk J. Apr 20, 2010 5:29 PM
Meetin 25 April - What the Bleep do we know - I need to know how many people are interested as I have to confirm (or cancel) the venue soon. Please RSVP.. Yes, No or maybe, so we can have an idea. Cost is R 100 per person including lunch....less if we get enough attendees. Henk J. Apr 15, 2010 1:56 PM
New discussion topics - I have added some discussion topics to stimulate increased conversation on the site, please visit and join the conversation. Regards Ian Ian Apr 15, 2010 6:33 AM
New discussion topics - I have added some discussion topics to stimulate increased conversation on the site, please visit and join the conversation. Regards Ian Ian Apr 15, 2010 6:33 AM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] New Meetup: "What the Bleep do we Know?" - I am very keen to attend this meeting. However, I am not available in April. Can we have this scheduled after 11th May?? Best regards Thomas On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Henk Jordaan < Thomas Apr 3, 2010 5:15 PM
Henk is taking a long break. - I will be leaving for the UK in May for several months. This leaves the question about group organiser open. In my view this group is just starting to become active and hopefully will be of value to a large group of people. Is anyone interes Henk J. Apr 3, 2010 2:05 PM
New Meetup: "What the Bleep do we Know?" - Announcing a new Meetup for The JHB Spiritualism & Metaphysics Group! What: "What the Bleep do we Know?" When: Sunday, April 25,[masked]:00 AM Price: EUR10.00 per person Where: Roodepoort Coun Henk J. Apr 1, 2010 12:21 PM
Interests are increasing - Hi all, I am happy to see that the activity and interest in our group is rising. Meetings still seem difficult, but we now have 75 members and 30 to 40 people regularly check the site with over 40 views against some of the posts. So there is Henk J. Apr 1, 2010 11:32 AM
Ian's message - Hello Ian, Your insight ?finds resonance with that of mine.. We are all living in an interconnected wholeness.. Beyond our physical realm of existence , there is an astral domain and beyond the astral domain, there is a causal body of existe Thomas Mar 25, 2010 8:41 AM
Getting involved - Hello to all I joined up to the site to further my self debate on spirituality, unfortunately I have not been able to attend meetings and given my business and family commi Ian Mar 25, 2010 6:32 AM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] Henk Jordaan added a post - Sure, Will to that tonight after work. Peter, www.peterbusboom.com www.myspace.com/peterbusboom user 7. Mar 23, 2010 5:01 PM
Henk Jordaan added a post - Right now this site looks like a Henk Jordaan blog. Who wants that? Not me! I would like to invite you to get involved and make it an interactive discussion site. It takes little of your time and you can say what you like! Questions, thoughts, challenge Henk J. Mar 23, 2010 11:18 AM
Meeting Last night and Access to material. - Henk J. Mar 16, 2010 6:31 PM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] Address and Directions for Meeting on 15 March - Thanks Henk for this info. Is tthe meeting scheduled to begin at 4h30 pm?? Just could not locate your mail in which the timing was given. best regards Thomas On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Henk Jordaan Thomas Mar 13, 2010 8:59 AM
Address and Directions for Meeting on 15 March - Below is the address and directions to the Regus venue - Follow the link and click on Map and Directions for a map. Johannesburg Parktown 23 Wellington Road Parktown Johannesburg South Africa Henk J. Mar 12, 2010 2:12 PM
Oops! Sorry for the Spam - Sorry about that last note to Diana. I did not know it would go to everybody. I should get the map later this morning and will then send it. Regards, Henk Henk J. Mar 12, 2010 10:25 AM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] URGENT - Meeting Update - Good morning Diana, I was really sad that you decided to leave the Group. We don't know each other well, but you looked like someone who could help make this group active.... If I did anything to offend, I would really like to know so that I ca Henk J. Mar 12, 2010 10:02 AM
Venue for Meeting on 15 Feb - It looks as if we will be between 6 and 10 people for this meeting. I have booked a venue at the REGIS offices in Parktown and am just waiting for a map and directions. Then will send it out. The Venue is ideal with secure parking, a private Henk J. Mar 11, 2010 4:03 PM
Invitation to connect on LinkedIn - Henk J. Mar 10, 2010 10:53 AM
Meetup details changed: 'Stepping into the path/Blockages/Moving on' - Hello, I have a strong sense that there are some people in this group who really need to get involved. There are miracles waiting for you.... Thank you for everybody who have RSVP'd. We already have enough people to make the meetin Henk J. Mar 6, 2010 2:26 PM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] Fwd: Fw: CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPY, TRY IT !!!!!!!!!! - Hi all, ? I agree with Mark ... please could we respect others & not bulk-mail these chain letters. It's really annoying & frankly I also feel that I did not register to have my email address mis-used in this way. ? Please Sharon Mar 2, 2010 9:07 AM
RE: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] New Meetup: 'Stepping into the path/Blockages/Moving on' - user 1. Mar 2, 2010 8:30 AM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] Fwd: Fw: CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPY, TRY IT !!!!!!!!!! - I did not sign up to get spammed. Mark S. Mar 2, 2010 8:13 AM
Fwd: Fw: CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPY, TRY IT !!!!!!!!!! - Niren P. Mar 1, 2010 8:07 PM
New Meetup: 'Stepping into the path/Blockages/Moving on' - Announcing a new Meetup for The JHB Spiritualism & Metaphysics Group! What: 'Stepping into the path/Blockages/Moving on' When: Monday, March 15,[masked]:00 PM Where: (A location has not been chosen yet.) Agen Henk J. Mar 1, 2010 11:37 AM
Fwd: FW: 11.42 - Niren P. Feb 23, 2010 9:41 PM
Fwd: FW: I Found them ...Can You? - Niren P. Feb 23, 2010 9:38 PM
Group Page Updates - I am sensitive to spam style over communication so will try to limit my emails to the group. I have updated the group page as follows: The 'ABOUT' section gives an overview of what the group is about.. Henk J. Feb 21, 2010 3:35 AM
Forums. - I've started a few forum topics. Go to http://www.meetup.com/The-JHB-­Spiritualism-Group/ , then click on the Message Board and give us your views on the following: * Making the mos Henk J. Feb 18, 2010 6:40 PM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] File Uploaded to the Meetings site - Dear Henk, I can add the following: 1. Dancing Wu Li masters 2. Patanjali's Yoga 3. " I am That" by Osho 4. the Akashic Field 5.The Autobiography of a Yogi and Thomas Feb 17, 2010 4:14 AM
File Uploaded to the Meetings site - A warm welcome to a bunch of new members in the Group. I have uploaded a couple of files to the website that may be of interest to everybody. 1) A list of books that I have on my shelves or have thought of...I am inviting everybo Henk J. Feb 16, 2010 11:53 PM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] Saturday's Meeting - Hi everyone. I'm glad to know that the meetup was a success. I apologise for my lack of confirmation on Friday, as my internet was not working. I was celebrating the Chinese new yr with friends this Saturday and Sunday, and although I was only a wa Maja D. Feb 16, 2010 12:14 PM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] Saturday's Meeting - Dear Henk, It is great to know that you had a good start. Hope to catch up with the next meet up. Have a great time. When I am back in SA, I hope to see you . Keep well Best regards Thomas Thomas Feb 16, 2010 4:12 AM
Saturday's Meeting - We had a very succesful meeting on Satruday. The people who attended came from diverse backgounds with lots to teach each other. Everybody has something to offer. I liked that most people had their feet firmly on the ground and offered a range of skill Henk J. Feb 15, 2010 9:52 PM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] URGENT - Meeting Update - Hi to all.. ? Unfortunately, we won't be able to make it. Please count?us in on the next meeting. Niren P. Feb 12, 2010 9:42 AM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] Meetup VENUE changed: 2010 Spiritualism and Metaphysics Start - Hi everyone. I hope you are all enjoying the new year. I am about 80% sure that I'll come but will confirm tomorrow. Kind regards, Maja On 2/11/10, Henk Jordaan wrote: > Jan Smuts Ave > > 1. Head south o Maja D. Feb 11, 2010 8:42 PM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] Meetup VENUE changed: 2010 Spiritualism and Metaphysics Start - Henk J. Feb 11, 2010 4:49 PM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] URGENT - Meeting Update - Sounds great c u there On 2/11/10, Henk Jordaan wrote: > It's Thursday and it's summer.... YOOOO! > > FIRST NEWS... > > Henk is going for spelling lessons! > > IMPORTANT NEWS: > > Zenatude has unfortunately closed its Diana M Feb 11, 2010 3:48 PM
Meetup VENUE changed: 2010 Spiritualism and Metaphysics Start - I've updated this Meetup. For more details, see the full listing: http://www.meetup.com/The-Joha­nnesburg-Spiritualism-Meetup-G­roup/calendar/12569033/ Henk J. Feb 11, 2010 3:29 PM
URGENT - Meeting Update - It's Thursday and it's summer.... YOOOO! FIRST NEWS... Henk is going for spelling lessons! IMPORTANT NEWS: Zenatude has unfortunately closed its doors shut like a bigot's mind! Henk J. Feb 11, 2010 2:58 PM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] New Meetup: 2010 Sprititualism and Metaphysics Start - Henk J. Feb 11, 2010 2:39 PM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] New Meetup: 2010 Sprititualism and Metaphysics Start - Henk J. Feb 11, 2010 2:37 PM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] New Meetup: 2010 Sprititualism and Metaphysics Start - Hi Henk, ? I have RSVP'd yes to Saturday's meeting & looking forward to it. Just check that Zenatude is still open - they were having problems late last year .... ? Have a great day! Sharon Feb 11, 2010 1:16 PM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] New Meetup: 2010 Sprititualism and Metaphysics Start - See u there On 2/10/10, Henk Jordaan wrote: > Announcing a new Meetup for The Johannesburg Spiritualism Meetup Group! > > What: 2010 Sprititualism and Metaphysics Start > > When: Saturday, February 13,[masked]:00 PM > > Diana M Feb 11, 2010 10:32 AM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] New Meetup: 2010 Sprititualism and Metaphysics Start - Hi to all.. ? Looking forward to meeting up on Saturday. For any reason the meeting?will not be?taking p Niren P. Feb 11, 2010 7:35 AM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] New Meetup: 2010 Sprititualism and Metaphysics Start - i will.. thanks On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Henk Jordaan < [address removed] > wrote: Thomas Feb 11, 2010 3:54 AM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] New Meetup: 2010 Sprititualism and Metaphysics Start - Henk J. Feb 10, 2010 9:32 PM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] New Meetup: 2010 Sprititualism and Metaphysics Start - Hi, Thanks a lot for your keen interest and great initiative! Unfortunately I will miss the first session .. I am in India on a business tour.. Will be back only on 19th. Hope to catch up with you next time. However, kindly keep me post Thomas Feb 10, 2010 4:10 PM
New Meetup: 2010 Sprititualism and Metaphysics Start - Announcing a new Meetup for The Johannesburg Spiritualism Meetup Group! What: 2010 Sprititualism and Metaphysics Start When: Saturday, February 13,[masked]:00 PM Where: Zenatude Hallo all! I have just Henk J. Feb 10, 2010 10:36 AM
Metaphysics and Spiritualism interests - Hi, Since a number of new people have joined the group I will try again to assess real interest in meetings. (Previous meeting attemps failed to get people from expressing interest to actually meeting and discussing) Pleas Henk J. Nov 26, 2009 5:25 PM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] A Spiritual Journey - Good day to all. I apologise for my late response. Unfortunately I couldn't make Thursday's meditation session but am interested in finding out what it was like. I'll try and make next Thursday. I appreciate the feedback. Thank you. Kind regard Maja D. Nov 6, 2009 12:20 AM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] A Spiritual Journey - Henk J. Nov 2, 2009 2:01 PM
RE: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] A Spiritual Journey - user 6. Nov 2, 2009 1:35 PM
A Spiritual Journey - I promised a talk on my views of a Spiritual journey at our last meeting.... the meeting did not materialise, but i decided to let you have the planned handout. Perhaps you are interested enough to give these issues some thought: A Spiritual J Henk J. Nov 2, 2009 1:30 PM
Zenatude Meditation - After my last mail to the group of 43, about 7 people responded positively, 4 or 5 people left the group and the rest kept their usual silence as is everybody's right. As specific meeting arrangements have failed in the past I am going to try Henk J. Nov 2, 2009 12:17 PM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] JHB Spiritualism Group Meeting - 24 October - Hi Henk, ? I am still very interested. I couldn't make it on Saturday as I was on course this weekend, & did RSVP no. ? Henk a suggestion ... how about arranging a meet-up on a Thursday evening Sharon Oct 27, 2009 8:52 AM
RE: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] JHB Spiritualism Group Meeting - 24 October - user 1. Oct 27, 2009 7:40 AM
Re: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meetup-Group] JHB Spiritualism Group Meeting - 24 October - Dear Henk, Thank you for your efforts to try and get the group together. Unfortunately I couldn't make it to the last meetup as my car was in for repairs and I am studying for exams. I apologise for not responding or sending my rsvp this time and fo Maja D. Oct 26, 2009 4:51 PM
RE: [The-Johannesburg-Spiritualism­-Meet up-Group] JHB Spiritualism Group Meeting - 24 October - Preview not available user 5. Oct 26, 2009 3:13 PM
JHB Spiritualism Group Meeting - 24 October - The attendance of this meeting was yet again disappointing. We had much to offer but only two people attended. I am not concerned about people who RSVP'd 'No'. My concern is with the people who have joined this group willingly and simply ig Henk J. Oct 26, 2009 12:57 PM
Saturday's meeting - The response to the meeting has been very low. I have a few questions: Are you a serious member of this group? Are you at all interested in meeting people with similar interests? Please let me know on henk.jordaan@gmail Henk J. Oct 22, 2009 11:04 AM
Spiritualism and Metaphysics Meeting - 24 October - Hi All, I am really looking forward to meet some more people who share the vision of making this short life meaningful. I know I have something to offer and so do you. I have discovered the venue Zenatude which itself has a lot goi Henk J. Oct 20, 2009 11:36 AM
Spiritulism Meeting Venue and Agenda - Henk J. Oct 13, 2009 3:32 PM
Johannesburg Spiritualism Group Meeting - I have a keen interest in Metaphysics and Spiritual growth. Since I have begun my Spiritual Journey in earnest I have had amazing experiences and many small miracles, enough to convince me that there are are no coincidences in our physical world. I am d Henk J. Oct 12, 2009 7:01 PM
JHB Spiritualism Interested Parties - I am interested in meeting with people interested in Spiritual Growth, Metaphysics and related subjects, to share ideas experiences and to invite Masters to meetings. To this end I have paid to be group leader of The-Johannesburg-Spiritualis Henk J. Sep 17, 2009 7:04 PM

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