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Re: [permaculture-117] Permaculture sites in Vancouver area

From: Jocelynn R.
Sent on: Monday, November 11, 2013 4:29 PM
For sure - I agree, you certainly have to design with the constraints already posed upon the system in mind - but perhaps a flex design to allow for perhaps future transition towards more edibles? Anticipating that over time people's understandings of the world will change (are already changing!) and that this will be more desirable as we connect more with nature and the natural world.

As for the water, and that community in general, - sounds like you can have a large impact if you want to - if people have yet to have a positive role model in their area - which is exciting! :) Thanks for being rad!


On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 3:44 PM, walk-in-beauty <[address removed]> wrote:
Hi Jocelynn,

Whistler is a Bear Aware community so there are certain protcols which we can and cannot do, for example we are not allowed to plant blueberries in our urban areas as these are a strong bear attractant.  Mountain Ash trees are also not planted within the urban area but are in the forests and surroundings.  I plan to contact them before any designs are implemented to ensure we comply.  Please remember, this complex is used mostly by nightly rental visitors so its not the kind of community that would forage for food.  I can't believe how many people buy bottled water here when we have the best water in our taps, so those people will walk past an apple tree and buy apples that are imported.  

I met with a fellow permie in Permberton in the summer and basically he just allows the bears to roam into his gardens but that would not be tolerated here.  A bear that becomes a nuisance is a dead bear and we don't want that!  Best to design this without bear attractants as we won't be allowed to plant them anyway.

M




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On 11 November[masked]:26, Jocelynn Rodrigues <[address removed]> wrote:
There's got to be a way to have both - bear proof food areas, maybe surrounded by non-edibles or something - or plant enough stuff for the bears further out so they don't even have interest in coming in to your way? 

There is always a way with Permaculture - just maybe need a bit more observation and interaction :) I'm not sure what specifically but I'm sure we can come up with something - what with all our brains at work :) 




On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 2:25 PM, walk-in-beauty <[address removed]> wrote:
I agree that it seems a 'waste' not to have food but I have to disagree that no food is at odds with permaculture or a contradiction.  My understandings is that permaculture is all about getting the design right for whatever you are trying to achieve.  Believe me, I would love to see fruit trees planted and go out in the mornings and forage for my breakfast but we have to consider we live in Whistler which is bear territory and the muni does as much as it can to encourage bears to forage in the hills away from human habitation and I really respect that.  Isn't that part of permaculture too - designing with nature in mind so that humans and bears can cohabitate without conflict? 

Anyway, I've attached a map of the existing complex layout so you can see the area is very extensive and my vision is to have areas that are already naturally segregated with the walkways re-landscaped with herbs, shrubs and native plants. My other vision is to use this as a subliminal teaching tool for the general public that visits.

Also, if anyone reading this knows of any permies in the sea to sky area, please direct them to our sea to sky meetup page 

Thanks for all your help - Bonny I have checked out the link you sent but will need to investigate a bit further myself before I send him to see it.  I feel like I'm walking on eggshells and don't want to do anything to halt this opportunity.   I'm going to be in Vancouver on Wed so will visit the site first.  

Myra




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On 11 November[masked]:58, Leila <[address removed]> wrote:

A permaculture garden without food in it seems like a contradiction but I guess you could do one for medicinals only. I worked on some revegetation projects in whistler and I have to warn you that we had more issues with bears and lush vegetative growth than youd expect. Not just fruits I'm afraid. If you based it heavily on things that have strong or bitter flavours you might have better luck. They don't like sitka valerian at all but the complex might not either. I would be looking at combining some classic herb garden elements with native plants. I wish i could tell you an example to go look at but I cant think of an established permaculture garden tthat doesnt incorporate food. How much room do you have to work with?

On Nov 10,[masked]:01 PM, "walk-in-beauty" <[address removed]> wrote:
Hi Everyone,

I have put a permaculture landscaping proposal to my Strata council for my Whistler complex and the chairman has asked if there are any good sites he could visit.  I've recently returned to Canada from Scotland where I did my design course so I am not yet familiar with what is around here.  The whole concept of Permaculture is new to the board so I am looking for sites that are more decorative and herbal than food oriented.  We have to be bear aware so growing food is not going to happen here.  Our complex is mostly nightly rentals with a few long term tenants and a growing number of resident owners.  Can anyone suggest some places he could visit to see the potential?  

Thanks,
Myra



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