Re: [SPAM:*]Re: [TheBendHikingGroup] New Leadership

From: Iffer N.
Sent on: Monday, August 11, 2014 6:46 PM
Very well said Barb!

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> On Aug 11, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Barb Caruso <[address removed]> wrote:
> 
> I appreciate all the input and I know that there are concerns.
> I would like to remind everyone that until just this past Spring there was not a dog-ban in place. The ban is a relatively recent event in the history of this group.There were just a few event hosts that posted dog-friendly hikes. It was just a small number of hikes out of all the hikes that were posted. 
> For people that don't want to hike with dogs, there are opportunities within this hiking group for that. Any event host that isn't comfortable with the idea of having dogs on the hikes that they lead don't need to have them. 
> There are always going to be hikers that take their dogs with them when they hike whether they are in a group or not. In a group setting, with rules in place and regulations being followed, it  is more likely to be safer for the dogs and for people and livestock that share the trails and for wildlife that might cross paths with the hikers. 
> A responsible dog owner would have a dog first aid kit added to their ten essentials and some knowledge of how to use it. They would have some way of protecting their dogs paws when the trail is rough and paws are getting tender (moleskin held on with adhesive tape works well in a pinch!). 
> The fact is that there are over 1100 members of this group and not all of those members are looking for hikes of the same level as those that most frequently get posted. Some people do just want to take their dog for a "walk" with other people. If they are a member of this group then why can't they use this group as a way to do that. Nobody said that you had to go with them. 
> People can get hurt hiking, too. Should we ban people from the group to protect them from something that could potentially happen.
> Trying to make a Meetup Group a perfect fit for every member in it isn't going to happen. If you would just think back to a little less than 6 months ago when there wasn't a dog-ban in place, and remember how little that really affected you personally, I think that you would see that it can be that way again. The "dog-people" will hike with like-minded people and everyone else will do the hikes that they like to do.  
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nicholas Pastore <[address removed]>
> Date: Monday, August 11,[masked]:35 pm
> Subject: Re: [TheBendHikingGroup]­ New Leadership
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>> Yes and I have seen some of those dog lovers hiking with their 
>> beloved bleeding from their paws.  In boulders and rocks with 
>> trekking poles and good support boots an ankle can still be 
>> broken.  Dogs can easily get a leg wedged and broken . In a small 
>> intimate group with one or two dogs.  With owners who are aware of 
>> dangers to the dog and will pick up and carry out to the end of the 
>> trail its poop that is OK.  But that kind of owner is the minority 
>> in my experience of nearly 60 yrs of  hiking..  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, August 11,[masked]:49 PM, Ron Hoyt <[address removed]> 
>> wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> I agree also. In fact, I’d go further and say that dog parks are 
>> for dogs
>> and hiking trails are for humans. More than once I’ve seen a hiking 
>> group that
>> began allowing dogs on the hikes devolve into merely a dog-walking 
>> group. Dogs
>> are terrible to have on the trail if some boulder-hopping is required.
>>  
>> Ron
>>  
>> From: Jan Meredith 
>> Sent: Monday, August 11,[masked]:35 PM
>> To: [address removed] 
>> Subject: Re: [SPAM:*]Re: [TheBendHikingGroup]­ New
>> Leadership
>>  
>>  I do so agree with you...AND the dogs are to be on leashes on
>> the River walks.   When dogs run up from behind, there is great danger
>> of knocking people off balance, as I have seen.  
>> I do love dogs.....but concerned with then on trails off leash.
>> Jan
>>  
>> On Aug 11, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Alisia wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, 
>>>  
>>> My name is Alisia and although I have yet to attend a hiking
>> excursion with you all due to scheduling, I have been reading the 
>> emails that have been sent over the last few days.  I only feel the 
>> need to interject due to the last couple of experiences I have had 
>> on local trails in the last couple of weeks.  Let me say first I am 
>> a huge dog lover and a lover of large dogs.  I take into 
>> consideration that not all people share my same love of dogs or of 
>> large dogs.  I say that to share this;
>>>  
>>> I was on the river walk several times in the last few weeks and 
>> each time I witnessed a couple or family walking their dogs off 
>> leash.  The first experience was a couple with 2 very friendly dogs 
>> off leash.  Friendly with people but not so much the wildlife.  A 
>> bunny ran across the path and the lab went taking off for it and 
>> caught it.  The lady went into a tizzy screaming and covering her 
>> eyes as the rabbit was also screeching, their other dog decided he 
>> wanted to join the “fun" as other families are in view and the 
>> husband was trying to control the dogs with not much success.  Not 
>> that their isn’t plenty but Bend is 1 less cute bunny.  What an 
>> experience that was.
>>>  
>>> The following week a family was out walking their dogs off leash
>> when ducks flew over low and off went the dogs into the water after 
>> the ducks and the same story just different animal.  
>>>  
>>> I bring it up only because those two incidences did not leave a
>> great impression for a nice causal walking experience nor would 
>> they for the majority of most people or the wildlife.
>>>  
>>> I apologize if I have offended anyone, that was not my intent for
>> sharing these experiences.  My intent is to make aware the other 
>> not so positive experiences that occur when we (including myself) 
>> do not take into account the TOTAL effect that we can leave on the 
>> people and wildlife around us when we THINK we have our canine 
>> companions under control or assume that instinct is completely 
>> under control and find out the hard way it’s not.  We don’t want 
>> the people on these hikes or the environment that we enjoy so much 
>> to be injured by our lack of forethought.
>>>  
>>> Respectfully,
>>>  
>>> Alisia    
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Iffer Nampahc <[address removed]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So glad to hear the dog ban is lifted. I don't go on hikes without
>> my dog so now I might actually join you all. Thanks!!!
>>>>  
>>>> Jenn
>>>> 
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>>>> On Aug 10, 2014, at 8:06 PM, Carol O'Dell
>> <[address removed]> wrote:
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>>>> 
>>>> Barb:
>>>>>­  
>>>>>­ I can't wait for the first hike.  I am glad for the people that 
>> have dogs who will be able to bring them on the hikes, however, I 
>> do  respectfully request everyone keep their dogs under control as 
>> I do not want to be tripping over very happy dogs who want to run 
>> back and forth on narrow trails.  I will be the first to tell 
>> people to put them on a leash if I feel it is dangerous. I will 
>> respect everyone and their right to bring a dog as long as they 
>> respect my right for a safe hike. From a former dog owner of some 
>> special dogs above to current dog owners.
>>>>>­  
>>>>>­ Carol O'Dell
>>>>>­ 
>>>>>­ 
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>>>>>­ On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Barb Caruso
>> <[address removed]> wrote:
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>>>>>­ Thanks Susan for the support. I'm with you on being responsible
>> for our own dog's and keeping them within the regulations that are 
>> in place. I'm happy to know that you agree with me.
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>>>>>­> That is great news about lifting the ban on dogs! I do think
>> that, as an owner, we are responsible for keeping our dog with us 
>> so that they do not interfere with other hikers.
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>>>>>­> On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Kara Fallini <[address removed]>
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>>>>>­> Herray for the dog ban lift!!!
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>>>>>­>> On Sunday, August 10,[masked]:51 PM, Barb Caruso
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>>>>>­>> Hey All-We recently received notice that our group organizer
>> had decided to step down. It was a very abrupt  notice. Given more 
>> time, I think someone more qualified and prepared than myself would 
>> have "stepped up" but rather than have this group possibly 
>> disappear, I have decided to take it on.
>>>>>­>> I don't anticipate making any major immediate changes except
>> to facilitate members that desire to lead a favorite hike or event 
>> to have the necessary tools to do that. If you have something that 
>> you would like to take on, please go to the homepage and click on 
>> "SUGGEST A NEW MEETUP".  The leadership team will receive your 
>> suggestion and help you to make it a reality. If you are part of 
>> the leadership team then you know that anything that you propose 
>> will be automatically added to the calendar and posted as an event.
>>>>>­>> One final note: as a dog owner and someone that enjoys hiking
>> with dogs, I have lifted the ban on dogs on hikes. I know that 
>> there are special considerations involved when hiking with dogs but 
>> I am leaving it up the dog's owner to be responsible for their own 
>> dog. Hike leaders will be asked to put (DOG-FRIENDLY), or (NO DOGS 
>> ON THIS HIKE), or (DOGS ALLOWED UPON APPROVAL FROM THE HIKE 
>> LEADER). in the title of the hike. It is NOT the leaders 
>> responsibility to research if the hike is dog-appropriate; if it is 
>> a leash required hike or can be off-leash. It is the dog owner's 
>> responsibility to inform themselves about the regulations that 
>> exist in the area that the hike will encompass. THERE ARE 
>> REGULATIONS THAT PERTAIN TO DOGS ON ALL TRAILS AND IN WILDERNESS 
>> AREAS. If you want to hike with your dog, get familiar with those 
>> regulations. They are there for your dog's protection, for other 
>> people and livestock that use the trails and to protect wildlife.
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