Food Security, Storage Seminar & Sampling!!! & AWESOME BBQ

  • August 26, 2012 · 2:00 PM

This is an opportunity to learn from noted experts in food security and suppliers of long term food designed for 10-20 years of storage. What are the best methods for preserving and storing foods? What are your nutritional requirements. Dehyrdrated vs freeze dried. What items can you store yourself and which are best purchased prepackaged?

Many of us have now set aside some goods such as beans, wheat, rice for a rainy day so learning how to store/prepare these foods is important. Adding some prepared storage foods is an option so we will sample a variety from different companies in a taste test and compare their storage life and nutritional value.

We will also discuss options to work with local farmer/producers to secure our food needs before massive hyper-inflation or other disruptions interfere with regular retail channels. *If you know of a local producer please share this with me*

 

I will also host a BBQ so we can sample some locally raised grass fed beef and produce

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  • Daemienn

    not to mention the inbox spamming..

    September 5, 2012

  • Kalle

    Hello! All of this discussion is great, but could you guys continue it in the "Discussions" area of the meetup group (http://www.meetup.com/Toronto-Survivalists/messages/boards). Right now, all this wonderful information may be slightly inaccessible to people because you're chatting in a expired event page. Many of the posts are too long to be practical in a comments area =P.

    September 5, 2012

  • Iris W.

    Here is a phone # Bruce Trout Hatcheries,[masked] or[masked], brings live trout. The survival program promotes self-sufficiency. Trout is legal to transport for private creeks & ponds. Grimo Nut Nursery in Niagara-on-the Lake: 1-905-Yeh-nuts or[masked]-6887. 3 yr old trees are shipped with the roots bear & wound with shredded paper. Plant IMMEDIATELY but give the roots a drink while you are digging the hole OR have the hole already dug and water well. If you use fertilizer go lightly and add the fertilzer to soil and place unfertilizer soil on top of the fertilizer that you may want to put at the bottom of the hole, so that the tree or plant does not go into shock from over fertilizing.

    September 5, 2012

  • Iris W.

    Making cement was another subject that was brought up this weekend. Cattail down mixed with ashes and lime can make cement. Paul, a chemist, said that one can make ash from burning down wood, but the heat would have to be tremendous as it is the byproduct of ash. In Sweden, they use Hemp as a binder. Hmmm? Does anyone else have suggestions on how to make lime? And, would there be one tree above all others that would make an ash lime?

    August 27, 2012

    • Paul

      iris, i looked up how to make lime. this is done by heating crushed limestone in a rotary kiln to temperature of 900 C; http://en.wikipedia.o...­

      August 28, 2012

    • Iris W.

      Another site, said that the temperature had to be 1800 degrees which would be impossible for the amateur. Maybe, the straw added to the sand & lime helped to up the temperature?

      September 4, 2012

  • Iris W.

    There was a vid on youtube & it showed tomatoes being planted, but in this case, the ground was elevated a good foot by two feet and covered with sack after large sticks were situated for the tomatoes to climb up onto. I can't see the benefit of this unless it is to keep the dirt drier and the sacked peat/dirt moist??? I gathered more Docks, better known to the aboriginals as "Wild Swiss Chard"...brought some of the leaves home and they were delicious with salt & butter. I plan another outting just to gather the Dock seeds.

    September 4, 2012

  • Paul

    while researching my question about tomato, i stumbled onto a resource that has a lot of relevance to food security. it's the Journey to Forever project, at http://journeytoforever.org/
    their farm library is extensive and free to download or read online.

    September 1, 2012

  • Paul

    if you would like to do a seed exchange at this event, please bring seeds to trade

    August 13, 2012

    • Paul

      kathryn, i did try dropping some overripe ones on the ground, last year, but all i got this year at those spots was lettuce (successfully growing wild); do tomatoes need some special nutrients?

      September 1, 2012

    • Paul

      seems i answered my own question. ok, yes; tomatoes are heavy feeders, depleting the soil of nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, calcium, magnesium, and various micronutrients. also, i found a lengthy article on tomato cultivation at http://journeytoforev...­

      September 1, 2012

  • kathryn

    it seems the age old problem of decidng , agreeing and maintaining the decision on a location is still an issue. i dont understand why it is that after a few suggestions an official location is not determined. i find myself checking in to see what's coming up but not committing to things when the location is still up for discussion and not set in the location header of the meetup. i am so glad i didnt go to dufferine grove. i do not check a computer constantly but i am not sure if this is normal or unusual for survivalists. at any rate please post the location and time in the header for the event ifyou want people to take seriously that the event is actually scheduled and to be attended by shane or paul. ps why am i still not an active member i paid my dues...

    September 1, 2012

  • Andrei

    FYI there will be a live webinar on "creating an unlimited food supply in the face of any disaster" - tomorrow (Thursday Aug 30) at 7 PM. See http://survivalist.com/unlimited-food-supply.html. The presenter is someone named Scott Peterson. The invite came from the Survivalist magazine (survivalist.com).

    August 29, 2012

  • Patrick

    Don't mean to whinge, but I attended at Dufferin Grove Park at 1:45,Sunday. Where was the event? It seems that it occurred at Etienne Brule Park? I never received any notice regarding change of venue. Clearly there was a big communication gap regarding this event. How is it that the event locale changed without a posting? Unrealistic to expect that people would continually monitor the comments - esp. since all official notice of events occur through Meetup e-mail. /whinging off

    August 27, 2012

    • Paul

      Patrick, i read back to august 11, when the event organizer told us Dufferin Grove park was the location in a comment for the August 19 meetup, but neglected to set the official location; and the speakers couldnt make that date anyway. in future, we will avoid much confusion by setting date+location at the same time

      August 28, 2012

  • Iris W.

    I believe that there was another BBQ event at a $75 fee that same
    weekend. No one can afford to give away free beef. It may have been Blake that brought up about seed moderfication Aug 26. Is it possible that the bees & insects can detect this modification and had boycotted my tomatoes one year necessitating pollinating by hand? Why bother collecting pollen if the plant itself has nothing to offer back? The best place to collect seeds right now would be around the Leamington, LaSalle area as these are families that have been in the small produce farming for centuries, so, if you are travelling through grab some home grown produce & share the seeds that may not have been modified.

    August 28, 2012

  • Waydeb

    Hi all:
    It would be nice to have a huge preserve tomatoes event, but I an a newbie and not an expert, and I have no place or tools to do this. I did it about 10 years ago and the taste was incredible. It would be nice to meet up at a regular place/time possibly monthly.
    Thanks, Wayde

    August 27, 2012

  • Alfred S.

    I went to Dufferin Grove too and waited by the pizza oven for half an hour. Disappointing, to say the least, especially since this event was supposed to have been confirmed on Aug. 3 and then re-confirmed.

    August 27, 2012

  • Daemienn

    Shane: Let's please agree always to set the meetup location when the date+time is decided, as dozens more people might have attended if-only the web site would tell them

    +1~

    August 27, 2012

  • Iris W.

    I found the meeting at Etienne Brule Park successful. I wanted to know what type of people had concerns about the future. They seemed normal. I feel at ease with people that are at arm's length and unimposing. I felt safe. We had concerns about making drinkable water and a concern about the technology that mite be lost if there was a total breakdown in society. Well, I lived the pioneer life as a child, without electricity, toilets and hydro. It wasn't that bad. I told them about the "ice caves" at Blue Mountain as I would like to make my own ice cave. Paul was sceptic as if the owners maybe bringing in the ice or ice left from last year. You walk down 15 - 20 feet and their is frost! Go visit the ice caves...give us your explanation. Sad to say, I didn't pull out the potato salad. Maybe next time. I think Shane had everyone cancel on him...again. If you need assistance Shane the next time for permit money or picnic food, etc, call me at[masked]

    August 26, 2012

  • Doug G.

    If this ran today, then I am sorry I missed it. I headed out the door around 10 AM for a meet up that I knew was on. Frustrating!

    August 26, 2012

    • Paul

      We had four decisive attendees at Etienne Brule park; we chatted freely about food security issues and their context in the larger picture of world disasters; we foraged for some edible weeds; and we exchanged seeds from our gardens. although successful, by no means was this a complete event, and i would love to attend another at Dufferin Grove park, if that can be set as the meetup location. Shane: Let's please agree always to set the meetup location when the date+time is decided, as dozens more people might have attended if-only the web site would tell them

      August 26, 2012

  • Iris W.

    It's not important to have a BQ but I'm bringinglarge potato salad enough for 50 to 100 people, I think, plus a lettuce salad. One does not have to have a permit for the BQ's just for a fire and a permit may be too late. I spoke with a ranger not too long ago and he said, "shh!" But, I'm not a shh person. It is important to organize a meet up just to say hi cause in real situations one works with a team in disaster situations. There are team members that shoot the person under the rubble and there are members that will do everything possible to remove the rubble or so I have heard. Then, there is exchanging ideas, programs and knowledge. It will be a low key meeting.

    August 26, 2012

  • Doug G.

    As long as I have directions and know that people will be there then almost anywhere is good for me.

    August 25, 2012

    • Paul

      Doug, Dave, Blake, bernadette, the official location was never set. you're welcome to organize a flash mob, but i am cycling in from west end and will not be able to check messages. As such, i must commit to Etienne Brule park now. maybe i'll see you there at 2pm?

      August 26, 2012

    • Iris W.

      I'm going to be there at Etienne Brule park. It is easy for subway travellers. They get off of the subway, take a right towards the Old Mill, take another rite, passing the Old Mill Restaurant, go over the Humber River Bridge, take a left immediately at the end of the bridge, go down the stairs to the park and you will see the washrooms from the bridge. One cannot get lost, nor attacked, as it is a pretty busy place. The walk may take about seven minutes.

      August 26, 2012

  • Blake

    I'll head over to Etienne Brule Park instead.

    August 26, 2012

  • Blake

    So, is it then Etienne Brule Park??? (This is getting to be a joke!)

    August 26, 2012

  • Blake

    I take it that this is still at Dufferin Grove Park, the original location that hasn't been officially changed???? I'm heading over there shortly at any rate.

    August 26, 2012

  • Dave

    So where is this shindig going down? Need a location confirmed ... ???

    August 25, 2012

  • bernadette

    Hi everyone! I thought we were meeting at Dufferin Grove Park. When did it get changed to Etienne Brule?

    August 25, 2012

    • bernadette

      Now reading down the list of comments, I guess this event has been searching for a home for a while now. But wasn't it originally supposed to be a Dufferin Grove?

      August 25, 2012

  • Doug G.

    Is this a go? Are we meeting at Etienne Brule at 2 PM tomorrow?

    August 25, 2012

  • Iris W.

    I picked some wild plants & plan on buying some mini veggies for a demo & I can explain how to make your own rope & leanto. Lone Pine Publications can give a 40% discount on large orders of 50 books "Edible Medicinal Plants of Canada" & "Trees of Ontario", which I paid $30. Tell us where and if no speakers show up...we will adlib. If you cancel, or they cancel, I will be at the Etienne Brule Park, east side of the Humber River off of Old Mill Road, over the bridge, 5 to 10 minute walk from the Old Mill Subway sitting near the empty large stones surrounding an empty fire pit a thousand feet from the bathrooms at 2:00 with my potato salad and weeds.

    August 24, 2012

    • Paul

      ok, if this event is postponed again, i will see you there at Etienne Brule Park, 2pm ish. cheers

      August 25, 2012

  • Kalle

    In case this event doesn't happen tomorrow (Aug 26), do some of you want to simply meet up anyhow, minus the seminar & BBQ? We could make it real easy and say "Dufferin Grove Park, just South of the hockey rink, by the pizza oven". We can discuss the topic generally and share a snack. I could bring a ceramic knife for those who are curious about them. It's now my main kitchen tool because it makes fruit & veggies stay noticeably fresher once cut.

    August 25, 2012

  • Iris W.

    I planted tomatoes one year and they were not producing. Someone told me that I would have to pollinate the tomato flower by hand as the bees & flies were not doing it. Why???? So, I started to save pollen from flowers to dot on a swab to dab on the tomatoes which brings us back to wild flowers and weeds as an important part in attracting bees when one lives in the city. With regard to tree seeds...I found that I had sucess with nut trees by freezing them in the freezer for six to eight weeks in February, then placing them down in the bacement in a dark storage and they sprouted for me to plant in May. My chestnuts did the best.

    August 24, 2012

  • Jeffrey

    where is this going to be held? thanks.

    August 23, 2012

  • Iris W.

    You probably noticed that the grocer, Freshco, brings in a skid of split peas, orange or yellow, about every three months, which is $3.00 for a very large bag. We could write the farmer that sends the skids to the markets and ask what type of deal he could give to us for a skid? But, $3.00 a bag is a good deal. I would just like to see more of an selection which would include other beans and grains. Scattered wild rice in a swampy area, and mind you, I may never be back to it...next month I am 66. It is not the grain that is costly...it is the tins or metal suitcases with locks. Ikea discontinued their metal boxes, which was two sizes in one for $6.99 with a metal handle which is much harder than cookie tins to open.

    August 20, 2012

  • Olga

    Can I bring my kids? this is my first event that I'm attending and I'm wondering if there is an adult only rule?

    August 15, 2012

  • morgan

    anyone from thornbury area i can ride share with ill pay some gas$
    or u can ride share w me if ur on the way ill pick u up
    thx

    August 14, 2012

  • morgan

    im thinkuing i maay go to this meeting it will be my first meeting im going to :)
    im comming from thornbury area so if anyone wants to ride share that would b great or if i can get a ride w u i will pay u gas$

    August 14, 2012

  • Wilma

    Sooo, did you guys decided where the meeting is going to be? This weekend will be perfect, but there is no too much time to think about it. There are many free parks with BBQs around the city, anyone will do.There is a small parkon Sheppard Ave. that has picnic tables and bbqsand it's always empty. Don't remember the nameof it. It is close to Keele St. Please decide soon.

    August 13, 2012

  • Iris W.

    Do you have an address where we can send a check ahead of time? Permit and insurance money would definitely be ahead of time. Why not have a yearly fee where you give a card and it is stamped on arrival. Example, five visits = $5.00 x 5 = $25. Or, $5.00 fee monthly, used or not, $5.00 x 12 = $60.00 yearly. It never hurts to have a cushion.

    August 12, 2012

  • Iris W.

    Ahhhh!!! Next week, Aug 19...can't make it. We'll meet down the road. Fold up tables are on sale this week at Canadian Tire for $39.00 just in case there are no picnic tables. Released the pidgeons...and the weeds to promote honey. Ran into an instruction made by Mr. Beaver though. He damned up the deer/bear pathway down a 80 - 100 ft slope that ran down the side of a dirt clift to the Beaver dam. I mean, this slope was a thousand feet from the river. He downed acouple of trees and filled it in with branches. What was he trying to tell me? I broke off the branches, removed part of the tree, etc, to finish the weed program which included milk weed pods (great for fires, bees, and the sap is water resistent), goldenrod (when bottled is SAID to be similar to morphine), thistle (for canning and birds), etc, etc. Have a great weekend on the 19th. P.S. I swept the underground parking.

    August 12, 2012

  • Christine Y.

    I would love to attend this event but it depends on location. I would also like to pay in person and is this a pot luck?

    August 11, 2012

  • Elaine

    Hi, have a question and suggestion. 1st up, why can't we give our $5 in person when we attend? Is the online $5 collection needed as up front money to purchase food? Seeing how a location has not yet been selected, I'm rather hesitant to pay upfront online. Also, a meet up place suggestion, why not try Ashbridge's Bay Park or Kew Gardens? They are both great outdoor places for a large meet ups, plus you can "picnic/BBQ" there and they are TTC acessible.

    August 11, 2012

  • Iris W.

    There is also
    Etienne Brule" Park which is across from the Home Park along the Humber River. Home is a 15 min trek whereas Etienne Brule Park is a seven minute walk from the Old Mill Subway. It also has washrooms and a fire pit. The parking is usually full because of the Old Mill Restaurant which has event rooms one can rent but I bet it is not cheap. The Old Mill subway is at the corner of Old Mill Rd and Bloor, turn right on Old Mill Trail and left on Old Mill Road which is renamed Catherine St on the other side of the bridge where the trail leads DOWN to Etienne Park. It has less picnic tables but lets PRACTICE roughing it...huh? Well, I am off for a 400 trek with my pidgeons and will drive all night to make this event. SO WHERE IS IT? My underground parking could hold about sixty chairs but no room for visitors parking and it is dusty! Should I offer to bring 70 non organic and unhealthy hotdogs? There is no internet where I am going. Sad!

    August 10, 2012

    • A former member
      A former member

      I'm looking forward to this event and would love to see it at this venue, Iris.

      August 10, 2012

  • Andrei

    Ditto. Also, what is the final agenda and who are the expert speakers?

    August 10, 2012

  • Alfred S.

    I agree with Jian. Please don't reschedule this. I booked a day off work specifically for this event.

    August 10, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    Perhaps BBQ is not that important if we cannot find a good place for BBQ. We should still meet without BBQ this weekend.

    August 10, 2012

  • Kalle

    Hey my vote is usually for bending the rules, especially when they seem over-zealous and minimally enforced. However splitting a permit among +60 people seems to eliminate any cost issue. As well the act of getting the permit and sharing the cost would be a good exercise in group organization and keeping this Meetup group in good faith with external forces. Or we could just have a 'screw em' attitude and openly talk on a public internet discussion about where we're going to meet to break some rules. Anyways if we want to keep things simple and practical, the islands aren't the first choice.

    August 9, 2012

  • shane

    I am looking at several options today. If I can't secure the right type of space I will have to reschedule for next weekend

    August 9, 2012

  • Iris W.

    I would also like to purchase one of those canning machines...pass it on...it may hurry things

    August 8, 2012

  • Iris W.

    Opps! Humber River parks are broken into bits. The park I am thinking about is called Home Smith Park which is off of Dundas St W (between Royal York/Prince Edward and the Humber River). Access by car is HO N L Y by Dundas St W one must turn just before the bridge/ river at Kingsway Crescent (and keep to the left and go down Old Dundas Road which winds along the Humber River and ends at the Old Mill Road. We could meet by the washrooms. They even have a fire pit by the washrooms. But, no shelter.

    August 8, 2012

  • Iris W.

    I checked with the info provided by the City of Toronto. One must have a permit for a fire which is $75.56 and cost of insurance $54.00 the cost of which could be shared. I just want a park with a washroom that is opened ALL day. Maybe we are over complicating things. Humber River definitely has free BBQ's and I suspect High Park has BBQ's. We can bring our own chairs or a blanket to sit on. This does not have to be "wonderful" just a means to an end which is to share info and to be educated. I even thought of bringing a stove pipe and two caps to show how one can protect food from rats etc. At one of my camping sites, a deer hooved to death a metal cookie tin to get the ingredients inside. Now I am buying metal tool boxes with locks for my camping food.

    August 8, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    What about G Ross Lord Park (Dufferin&Finch)? It's also close to subway/TTC, and I'm pretty sure you don't need a permit to have a fire there. I belong to a men's group, and we go there every two weeks for a fire. Besides, doesn't a permit (a temporary allowance to do something that would otherwise be illegal) for a fire rub you all the wrong way as it does me? I won't be asking for a fire permit to cook food/boil water if SHTF.

    1 · August 8, 2012

  • Kalle

    The islands are cool, and the $7 ferry is affordable for sure. An alternate suggestion would be Dufferin Park. It's close to a subway station and has a large firepit area with many big logs and picnic tables. The permit for the firepit could be pooled, so everyone may pay $2-3 (instead of $7 for a ferry and no firepit =P).

    August 8, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    This looks like a very popular event! I think the Toronto Island idea is excellent!

    August 8, 2012

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