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Start our own country!

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  • Wyndham Hotel San Jose

    1350 N 1st St, San Jose, CA (map)

    37.361378 -121.908145

  • Despite the best efforts of the Libertarian Party and the Tea Party, the USA is still unfortunately dominated by and divided between religious fucktards and Communist fucktards. Neither is friendly to Transhumanist interests, nor is any other country
  • There's both a restaurant and a bar in the lobby, plus a series of convention rooms (called "salons") on a floor between the second and third floors. We could also meet up around the pool, or head off to the nearby Denny's. Here are some details about my plan: I recently learned that there's an unclaimed patch of land named Bir Tawil, trapezoidal in shape and over 2,000 square kilometers in size, between Egypt and Sudan. I suggest that we collect some startup capital, move over there, build some infrastructure, and notify the UN that there's a new kid on the block. "But," you might say, "isn't that place basically a wasteland with no natural resources except sand?" Well, yes, but if you really think about it, that same issue has never been a problem for Native Americans who live on reservations. I suggest that we take the "Indian casino" concept and turn the amplifiers up to eleven by legalizing all victimless so-called "crimes": drugs, gay marriage, ownership of military-grade firearms, everything. We basically set the place up as a tourism magnet, like Dubai but without the slave labor (note: we will probably need to build a small airport). To attract foreign capital and repay the loans, we can also make the place a tax haven and/or set up a Swiss-style banking system. When we finally have everything up and running, and the economy is stable, we can institute an official government policy of using tax dollars to fund genetic and cybernetic experiments. We'd also probably use the US Dollar as currency at first, but should eventually switch to an asset-backed currency. Unfortunately, most precious metals that were formerly used as currency are now subject to speculative bubbles and bursts. My solution? Use a metal that is valuable, but stable in value. I suggest Technetium; it can only be isolated by reprocessing spent nuclear fuel rods, making supply extremely stable, and demand is fairly constant as well because not many industrialized nations are experiencing population-growth. Stable supply + stable demand = stable value. We should also discuss whether we should stick to English or eventually migrate to Loglan or Lojban as an official language.

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  • Tom C.

    Wedged directly between two failed states? I'll pass.

    August 13, 2014

  • Samantha A.

    When was/is this meeting?

    May 22, 2014

    • G-Max

      apparently never.

      May 22, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    How much money does it take to start a country? Probably it would be started in phases -- how much for each phase? It would also take people; how many? We could probably get lots of minds thinking about this by publishing a board game.

    February 17, 2014

    • G-Max

      Technically, it doesn't require any money at all. However, there are many aspects of it (like getting ourselves to the territory in question) that are made quite a bit easier if you can just throw money at them.

      February 26, 2014

  • Dan D

    Sounds more grounded than a seastead.

    February 17, 2014

  • Caleb T.

    I agree with Mike

    February 1, 2014

  • mike

    Not to say it wont be something that will or needs to happen but I think you guys might be getting ahead of yourselves with discussions of founding a new nation. I think we already have pretty fertile grounds right here in the bay area for transhumanism to thrive in the coming decades. I mean its a diverse, well educated and progressive population, plus of course our high tech industry.

    February 1, 2013

    • G-Max

      This is certainly a great place for recruiting and training transhumanists, but the political climate is extremely hostile. The "progressives"­ around here don't even want genetically modified FOOD to be legal, much less genetically modified humans, and their anti-business attitude is causing jobs to hemorrhage to Texas by the thousands. This is to say nothing of the impending economic collapse of the USA when the dollar loses its status as the world's reserve currency.

      February 2, 2013

  • Eric D.

    Tehnetium quotes - http://www.eve-markets.net/detail.php?typeid=16649. Bad idea (if serious).

    December 25, 2012

    • Eric D.

      You wrote, "You need to stop obsessing over Elvira Gamboa". It is you and everyone else who needs to stop obsessing over her, since she is only thrown out to act bizarre to distract from real crimes. You are clearly shooting your mouth off with incorrect opinions without doing your homework. Wikipedia does not say anything. The sources it relies on say things. The sources, CBS News, Washington Post, SEC, FBI, Forbes, etc. called Melchizedek the first micronation, which I am merely repeating. Melchizedek has thousands of real world "citizens", most, perhap all of which are criminals. I wrote that she was a "titular" head, because she is not relevant to much of anything. I had $43 Millions stolen, and not by Elvira Gamboa, who I only met as a mother bringing supposed Jr. Matematics Olympiad champion Hazemach Hazemach to meet some mathematicians at Stanford. She was paid $300K out of that. Why did you

      December 30, 2012

    • G-Max

      Please keep your sob story and un-verifiable claims to yourself, and either point out a general link between new nations and fraud, or drop the issue.

      December 30, 2012

  • Eric D.

    I don't know how serious you are. I have some personal (very bad) experience with micronations (Melchizedek). I also applied to emigrate from the US to the Apache Nation, just this morning (seriously), and sent emails to some of their attorneys on the laws for it, but I haven't heard back yet. I have topo maps of all the BLM land in California, with some analysis already done as to their surroungings. I was an OG proto-Burning Man person, back in 1982 at the Dead Sea Israel with a bunch of mad science types and professional dancers from Japan and Israel (not at Baker Beach with a bunch of neo-hippies dancing around a fire, like the history books tell you). There is still much of it in the Bay Area that no one seems to notice exists. But as the BM experience shows, public BLM lands can be made "unpublic" fast. I also have some (incomplete) engineering and financing designs for a simplistic undwerwater city made from small resin spheres partially filled with dirt. I also have DMZ land.

    December 25, 2012

    • G-Max

      Yes, I'm completely serious. I don't know what BLM means, nor do I know what BM means other than bowel movement. Regardless, this won't be a micronation - it would have to be a full-blown albeit tiny nation, like Monaco or Lichtenstein, built on land that is not currently claimed by any country. That leaves Bir Tawil, Antarctica, or an artificial island of our own creation.

      December 26, 2012

    • Eric D.

      BLM is the federal Bureau of Land Management, which is, roughly, the agency controlling every piece of real estate in the US that some other entity does not claim ownership of. BLM owns about 1/8 of all the land in the US. Lots of stuff is all around you in the bay area. It is all up for grabs, and includes land in developed areas. Eg., the feds sometimes reserved 20 acres for federal use in each square mile, or something like that. There is more complexity to it than that, and the complexity exceeds the 1000 character limit here.

      December 26, 2012

  • Eric D.

    There are some very seriously bad people who are involved in micronation business. It has a great potential for abuse by fraudsters and worse criminals.

    December 25, 2012

  • Brandon K.

    I feel we should use Bitcoins as our country's official money, deriving the values from the USD for easier transition, as a decentralized, digital currency it fits in well with almost, if not, all the different Transhumanist schools of thought.

    July 2, 2012

  • G-Max

    The problem with buying an island is that you don't really own it. You just own the title to it. It's still part of the parent country.

    March 1, 2012

  • Y C.

    Basically, these islands are actual posted listings that are pretty common for purchase... rather than a strip of land in the middle of the middle east.

    February 18, 2012

  • Y C.

    *googled up island prices, that is!

    February 18, 2012

  • Y C.

    I'm a bit young in my career to admit I've done this quite a few times... but private islands for actual purchase are about a fraction of the housing prices in the more popular areas of SF Bay... https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=islands+for+sale

    February 18, 2012

  • G-Max

    Yes, a coastline is a tremendous asset. However, all islands on Earth tend to be owned by other countries, and countries have traditionally been more interested in buying land than in selling it. Political capital would not be a problem if we side with the new democracies in the region. We could even lead a political realignment in the middle east, with the USA, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and other republics against Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, and other monarchies and dictatorships.

    1 · February 18, 2012

  • Y C.

    I imagine political capital would also be required, due to the (wartorn) middle east vicinity. Wouldn't it be cheaper to just by an island?

    February 18, 2012

  • Gail H.

    looking forward to it

    February 17, 2012

  • Stan K.

    Have you talked to the http://seasteading.org/ people? Patri Friedman has given a number talk about the legal and political issues of setting up a new country. He believes it is possible, but not easy. Also, a landlocked country such as you propose is at the mercy of the surrounding countries, since most supplies necessarily come by boat or train. Read about the issues of supplying America troops in Afghanistan. $40+ per gallon of delivered fuel is merely one of many issues.

    1 · January 7, 2012

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