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Tucson Atheists Monthly Meetup

  • Aug 19, 2013 · 7:00 PM
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The subject of this month's meeting isWhy Atheists Have a Serious Problem With Women. Recently, Dr. Karen Stoltznow exposed a problem she had with a prominent Skeptic and the seemingly uncaring attitude toward her reported problem by a large renowned Skeptic/Humanist organization. An article was published in Scientific American. In her statement, she had made some remarks about the organization involved that may have been less than accurate. Apparently, a rational discussion about the claims on a certain blog is not possible because the subject is so toxic.

The Tucson Atheists is a member of the FreeThinking community and can be affected by the national debate. We may have our own problems with sexism and sexual harassment to deal with, I'm not sure. Any movement, such as ours, that is growing and encompassing so many members may feel the stresses of growing pains. In particular, folks coming from outside the area and joining us may bring with them concerns that they've seen in the movement. Let's discuss them.

BTW, the bolded italicized text above is a logical fallacy but found as a headline on the on-line blog called PolicyMic

For those that would like to read Dr. Stoltznow's article that has been pulled from Scientific American you can find it HERE. For those that want to see the complaints about the article from the leader of the implicated organization you can find them HERE.

In the last five years, there has been one sexual harassment complaint within the Tucson Atheists. If that is the only one, then we don't have a problem, but there may have been many that went unreported. Through our discussions, we may find we have a problem in this area.

Plenty of room for discussion.


This is a recurring meeting. The group meets on the third Monday of the month at the Denny's on Speedway. The meeting officially begins at 7PM but many people choose to meet earlier to socialize before the meeting. I start setting up equipment around 6 and enjoy the company while I get the equipment ready for the meeting.

Don Lacey


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  • Don L.

    Once again, thank you for all those that attended the meeting. I especially want to thank John Thompson for pointing out that I made a mistake in the "logical fallacy" department. The title of one of the articles referenced was "Why Atheists Have a Serious Problem with Women." As pointed out, it is NOT an example of the "Begging the Question Fallacy." It is more along the lines of the "Complex Question Fallacy." As result of the back and forth, I can provide all the references, if requested.

    August 21, 2013

  • Buck V.

    Very good discussion of attitudes and behavior around gender issues. This group of intelligent and sensitive people always pleasantly surprises me in how well discussions are engaged in. Awesome meetup!

    August 20, 2013

  • Matt

    Excellent meeting. Excellent participation. Went much better than I expected. I was relieved to hear from the women that they feel our community is as good as I feel it is in this department, at least not like some make it out to be. The meeting made me proud to be an atheist. The topic was a tough one to host and Don navigated it well.

    August 19, 2013

  • Don L.

    Discussions went better than expected. Thanks to everyone that attended and participated.

    August 19, 2013

  • Roland P.

    I've always enjoyed reading myth, being raised Chatholic was a good start. The popular affinity to organized religion has always been a mystery to me.

    August 18, 2013

  • John T.

    Concerning the 8/19 meeting topic: Please look up and read the references Don has linked. I, for one, would like to hear what folks have to say but only after we all have tried to have as much of a common context as possible.

    August 15, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Folks: At our last meeting Stephen Uhl, a former priest, mentioned his book, Out of God's Closet. I borrowed a copy from Pima Libraries, and enjoyed it. It's a genial invitation/introduction to atheism for the general reader. He writes well, and his message is not as polemical as the works of Hitchens and Dawkins (but not as thorough, either).

    Unfortunately, it did not answer my question--my reason for looking into it: how can the seminaries teach years of theology without constantly stumbling over the contradictions of the Bible, or addressing the ridiculously vast varieties of religion?

    August 3, 2013

    • Greg C.

      I too wouldn't mind hearing a cogent explanation for Organized Religion's ability to systematically ignore some very fundamental logical flaws and mutual inconsistencies in their beliefs. I suppose it all boils down to 'human nature' and our ability to trivialize or nonsensically explain away that which conflicts with our core emotional desires. In this case, the profound appeal/need of a warm, fuzzy Sky Daddy trumps all else.

      August 15, 2013

  • Greg C.

    Yikes, you sure picked an incendiary subject!

    For those unfamiliar with the saga:
    Socially inept nerd gets in elevator with Watson and makes an awkward attempt at talking to her. Watson, poor precious thing that she is, freaks and starts yelling 'rape!' from every rooftop. Dawkins, mammoth ego in tow, waddles into the battle and makes a few typically inflammatory/asinine comments. All hell breaks loose!

    August 15, 2013

  • Nancy

    Oh, hell yes I am coming for this topic! :)

    1 · August 15, 2013

  • Dusty M.

    Does anyone live in the Green Valley/Sahuarita area?? Would like to meet and possibly go to monthly meeting together.

    August 11, 2013

  • Dusty M.

    This will be my first meeting...I've had a tumultuous past few months with 'coming out'. NOT EASY! Lol I look forward to meeting all of you :-)

    August 11, 2013

  • BC

    I'll likely be bringing a couple of vocal atheists from Tennessee -- and interesting input they'll no doubt have.

    August 10, 2013

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