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RE: [Urban-Homesteaders] New Urban Homesteaders Facebook Group

From: Sean
Sent on: Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:57 AM

Sounds like you just want to sell stuff that doesn't do much more than "reduce" our foot print.  Why not create abundance, rather than simply slow how fast the energy descent happens?  You don't need any vitamins with the right food in your diet.

Foods we traditionally depend on have plummeted in nutritional value:

While wild foods have incredible nutritional value.

See "Mycelium Running" by Paul Stamets for an overview of nutritional and medicinal qualities of various mushrooms, which can be even more stunning.  How this matters most for our homesteads can be gleaned from reading some Masanobu Fukuoka, , especially "The One Straw Revolution".  Our grocery store foods, even organic foods to some extent, have been so inbred for appearance, size, storage, and flavor that nutritional qualities have been practically bred out.

The key to healthy human nutrition is to help develop Edible Forest Gardens and species varieties more closely related to their wild cousins.  Masanobu Fukuoka called this "perfecting the human being" or "Natural Farming".

We can stop using our refrigerators and go back to food fermentation, as well.  Sprouts contain a huge blast of nutritional value.

Don't have classes on vitamins, have them on fermentation, sprouting, forest gardens, permaculture, plant breeding, chickens, guinea pigs, rabbits, and many other things one might do on an urban homestead to take back control of their lives.

The use of detergents will be a more challenging matter.  However, this dialog quickly moves to grey water, constructed wetlands, and the humanure handbook (available free to certain government officials and free online regardless).

I've made lots of soap at this point.  It's quite easy and makes a good potluck style event on a small scale and with no unsupervised toddlers.  Unfortunately, it still requires chemicals of some sort.  Theoretically, one can use KOH, which "could" have been provided by hardwood ash, but this just isn't a practical step for people with day jobs or even as a business on it's own (and doesn't necessarily produce solid soap, more for liquid soap making, particularly using locally available vegatable oils).  The other issue is what to use "sustainably" for the oil.  In our climate and under our laws, that often entails animal fat as the most sustainable source, which some find objectionable.

The next step to washing soda involves chemicals.  See "Caveman Chemistry" for an overview of what is required: ....  Even baking soda requires an energetic input of some sort, as does paper, glass, metal, and ceramics.  A question to ask ourselves is "How big of a coppiced woodlot do I need for this <fill in the blank>".  The energetic requirements of most "technological" solutions is one of many reasons why we all need to seek "biological" solutions whenever practical.

Many plants can be useful as cleaning agents (natural saponins, etc).

The mindset to get into:

--- On Wed, 6/10/09, Neil Licht <[address removed]> wrote:

From: Neil Licht <[address removed]>
Subject: RE: [Urban-Homesteaders] New Urban Homesteaders Facebook Group
To: [address removed]
Date: Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 11:26 PM

Hi Lisa
I do have an idea.
Its a workshop on a method for greening our homes, protecting our health and wellness and concurrently protecting the environment.
For Health and wellness, absorption of vitamins and minerals are the key. Commercial brands only deliver a 10% absorption but one company has patented a way to deliver 85% absorption.
For household cleaning and maintenance, even bat supplies, that's where we are polluting our water supplies and overtaxing our waste water treatment plants. We can change that by Its replacing caustic cleaners, detergents that contain chlorine, phosphate and alkaline with products made from natural and safe ingredients. For instance, not only will the laundry detergent do a giant load on 1/2 oz but it would take 6 bottles of tide to do the same thing. - A lot less plastic in landfills and a much smaller carbon footprint. The dishwashing detergent has no chlorine in it like Cascade, just natural cleaners.
The company making these products is 25 years old, sells consumer direct on line and requires no long term commitments. Best yet, using their products costs the same or even less than what would be purchased at the grocers.
I have a presentation, although its from the company that makes these products, that can help us all understand how to deploy a safe greening of our households, offices, reduce the waste and keep our pollution low.
This company shares its revenue with the product users returning a % of the money spent by each user back to them as a monthly rebate.
What do you think?
Neil Licht


Neil and Janet Licht, Owners and Chief Gurus


We Deliver Wellness 

57 West Main Street

Marlborough, Ma 01752

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From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Lisa
Sent: Wednesday, June 10,[masked]:21 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: [Urban-Homesteaders] New Urban Homesteaders Facebook Group

Hi everyone. Welcome to Urban Homesteaders! The response to this group, just in the first week of its existence, has been thrilling. I'm so excited to meet all of you and to work together to make a really great group. Please let me know if you have any ideas for events, workshops, field trips, etc. I hope to see as many of you as possible at the first meet up group, Saturday, June 20th at 3:00pm.

I also just started an Urban Homesteaders group on Facebook, so please consider joining that if you're on Facebook. (Just search "Urban Homesteaders.")


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