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Re: [DenverAndBeyondVeganMeetup] [address removed] has shared: Philip Wollen, Australian Philanthropist, Former VP of Citibank, Makes Blazing Animal Rights Speech

From: Ann V S.
Sent on: Sunday, July 1, 2012 10:38 AM
It's a fact that people have to hear a message 6 to 12 times, before they will give it much thought.  We just have to continue to present our message, as often and as kindly as possible.

Marty, I love it that you were touched by that video.  It is heart warming and it show that animals are thinking, loving beings.  Thank you for mentioning it.

That said, fish bodies are meat, just as other animals.  Also, fish have more pain sensors around their mouths than we do, so they suffer greatly.  Plus, our oceans are in grave danger, due to over fishing from human consumption.  Farmed fish live in horrendous conditions and those animals suffer greatly as well.  They get so much disease that they are swimming in a soup of antibiotics, along with their own waste.  Besides, there is nothing at all healthy about eating fish.  I hope you will come to VegFest and have a chat with Dr Michael Greger.

All, Dairy and eggs also have their own set of horrors;  suffering on many levels, health dangers to us, damage to our environment (including the oceans), all the same issues as meat, whether they be "free range" and/or organic or not.

Keep living by example and being open about it.  Things are changing without a doubt (thank you FaceBook!) and the more of us who publicly and proudly live it, the faster it will move forward.

Ann

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On Jul 1, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Kellie <[address removed]> wrote:

my mom gave up meat after watching peaceable kingdom (the first version).  i think there are a lot of messages that make people want to go vegan, but vegan outreach has had a lot of success with the compassion "argument."  i think it helps to reach out to youth (i.e. preaching to the convertible) before they are completely jaded... : )


So shines a good deed in a weary world.


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Subject: Re: [DenverAndBeyondVeganMeetup] [address removed] has shared: Philip Wollen, Australian Philanthropist, Former VP of Citibank, Makes Blazing Animal Rights Speech

i  just sent this email to an individual but i think it is worth sharing to the group.
 
One reason i gave up meat (i still eat fish btw) was a movie i saw called "two brothers".. now this movie had nothing to do with vegetarianism at all.. The story was more about (at least what i got out of it, among many messages) "animals deserve to live just like you or i do"
 
The story was about 2 tiger cubs (in asia?) in the 1940s i think...and "man" hunted tigers for profit...and "man" lied about it and said that "tigers are dangerous"  (the only times the tiigers were dangerous was when they were attacked by man with guns. Otherwise they mined their own business, and left man alone also.
Anyway, these 2 tiger cubs (brothers) became orphans (because man killed the parents) and these 2 cubs were separated' one cub became a domestic "pet" by a wealthy family.  The other was taken to a circus where he was abused.   Later in the movie, the 2 brothers were reunited by chance, after not seeing each other for a couple years...(or however long it takes for a tiger to grow to full growth)
I dont want to give up the ending, but this movie is a tear jerker for anyone who has a heart. 
 
These 2 tigers were fanhtastic actors. I comment those responsible who ever trained them. (they claim no abuse  or harm was done in the training of these tigers, to "act" in the movie. If humans can get nominated for academy awards, why not animals???
 
i recommend every person (esp those who dont want to kill animals) to rent  or buy this movie. (you can buy it on amazon, probably used for the same price tyou can rent it.)  It changed my life
 


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From: Barbara <[address removed]>
To: denverandbeyondveganmeetup-list <[address removed]>
Sent: Sun, Jul 1,[masked]:13 am
Subject: Re: [DenverAndBeyondVeganMeetup] [address removed] has shared: Philip Wollen, Australian Philanthropist, Former VP of Citibank, Makes Blazing Animal Rights Speech

I appreciate the video thanks for sharing and the dialogue. I agree with Dan sadly, it has never been my experience that messages changes anyone's opinion about meat and in fact entrenches them in their choices. 

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On Jul 1, 2012, at 6:55 AM, Dan Price <[address removed]> wrote:

This speaks to me, but I fear it does not speak to the meat eating crowd.
 
Meat eaters are addicts with a chemical dependency. Much like many other things in the Standard American Diet (SAD) there are real food addictions. These addictions have been confirmed through hard science not some phsycho babble.
 
When trying to change an addicts behavior a different approach must be used. An addict cares little about the suffering others go through to feed his addictions. I believe those that are addicted to meats hear the compassionate plea and immediately dismiss the speaker as a nut. Not that there are not other parts of his message that are arguments which addicts could listen to.
 
What I see in much of the educational approaches is this lack of understanding how to present a convincing argument. Much like preaching to the choir.
 
What I believe is that the compassionate movement is creating conditions where meat eaters shut out the message even before it is delivered. Compassion I believe has to come after the food addiction is broken for most people. So another argument has to be put forth. He hit on some very good arguments for eating zero meat.
 

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To: [address removed]
Sent: Saturday, June 30,[masked]:25 PM
Subject: [DenverAndBeyondVeganMeetup] [address removed] has shared: Philip Wollen, Australian Philanthropist, Former VP of Citibank, Makes Blazing Animal Rights Speech

Philip Wollen, Australian Philanthropist, Former VP of Citibank, Makes Blazing Animal Rights Speech
Wollen is a former VP of Citibank and Australian philanthropist who is known to keep out of the limelight. But, man, did he come to the table for this debate to deliver a huge performance and a powerful message packed in just 10-minutes. Bravo!
 
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