Re: [9-11-290] is Loose Change for real?

From: Tony E.
Sent on: Monday, March 16, 2009 3:13 PM
Good but it is not always about the content but about the message delivery...

Tony

--- On Mon, 3/16/09, zekar <[address removed]> wrote:
From: zekar <[address removed]>
Subject: Re: [9-11-290] is Loose Change for real?
To: [address removed]
Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 1:18 PM

ok, but aside from that. what do you think of the content?

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Tony Esper <[address removed]> wrote:
I feel the documentary is rather immature for general audiences. I feel that it is geared more towards a hiphop generation

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From: zekar
Date: Mon, 16 Mar[masked]:15:47 -0400

To: <[address removed]>
Subject: [9-11-290] is Loose Change for real?
i just think it's completely paranoid to think this list is infiltrated by a CIA operative.
made me laugh.
LOOK OUT! THEY'RE AFTER YOU! WATCH YOUR BACK!
hehehehe......

on a more serious note, what do people think of the movie Loose Change?
I read the maker of it say he knows that the movie isn't entirely accurate.
sorta made me grumble since he's so convincing in the movie.



On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 12:05 PM, michael labelle <[address removed]> wrote:

Part of being a truther is not caring too much who might be spying on us, or putting us on some list. We're supposed to be in it to win it; the fight against all this tyranny, the lies that keep us sheeple in control. We shouldn't be afraid of the authorities; we should be organizing to fight back against them


--- On Mon, 3/16/09, zekar <[address removed]> wrote:

> From: zekar <[address removed]>
> Subject: Re: Attn: Tony [9-11-290] The Obama Deception by Alex Jones; BUNK I  say and Ilike Alex usually
> To: [address removed]
> Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 11:50 AM
> why would the CIA care about this mailing list?
> dont they have bigger issues to deal with like
> counter-terrorism and
> industrial espionage?
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Dan
> <[address removed]> wrote:
>
> > For the record I didn't call anyone CIA.  What I
> said was, even if we
> > suspect someone amongst us was CIA, then we should
> react by filling their
> > head with undeniable truths.  I went on to say what
> Mike was guilty of is
> > fairly widely spread right now, advancing belief in
> the disinformation
> > propagated by major media that Obama is against the
> status quo, when in
> > actuality he's serving up heapings of murderous
> status quo action.  Bombing
> > a nation we have no declaration of war against, a
> nation whose "officials"
> > have demanded repeatedly WE cease bombing their
> country AND that just so
> > happens to be nuclear armed to the teeth, home of the
> Father of Nuclear
> > Proliferation; AND keeping habeas corpus and posse
> comitatus in the trash
> > bin; AND doing nothing to REregulate these out of
> control banks; AND
> > spending tepidly on renewable energy infrastructure,
> while spending hugely
> > on stuff that will melt off Greenland; AND affording
> legal protection to the
> > previous murderer in chief; AND doing squat to undo
> the nuclear policy
> > damage done by the Bush administration, these are some
> of the more egregious
> > of Obama's murderous maligning the American people
> and people worldwide.
> >
> > Sure, you understand the evidence of the 9/11 crime.
> But that's one crime
> > worth a little more than 3,000 humans murdered.  The
> same criminal syndicate
> > has murdered and continues to murder millions every
> year and they're
> > prepared to murder billions.  So, if you want to stick
> to discussing one of
> > their crimes, and pretend like the rest isn't
> happening on a daily basis,
> > you're living in denial of your reality which will
> soon devour you whole.
> > I'm pretty sure that was the purpose of the post
> exposing Obama as a
> > corporate shill and massively corrupt and compromised
> chief of a million
> > dumb grunts just so long as he stays loyal and useful
> to his paymasters.
> >
> > So should we keep discussing the evidence of
> 9/11/2001, 8 years after it
> > happened, while still no prosecutions for the
> commission of the action?  Or
> > perhaps we should discuss now what is now keeping us
> from acquiring
> > prosecutions for this heinous crime and psychological
> warfare operation...
> > In that area in this day all roads lead to Obama, his
> protection of Yoo with
> > his justice department, his intent to continue with
> the same dictatorial
> > powers which Bush stole in defiance of the
> constitution and his distracting
> > and sunny rhetoric none of which seems to be at all
> easily discernible to
> > The Sheeple, who support him and his continued war on
> Afghani commoners in
> > which policing is by aerial bombardment and women and
> children are valid
> > targets.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8pEOLwmdpQ
> >
> > So, what thinks you Tony, is the new war criminal a
> reasonable topic for
> > our discussion?
> >
> >
> http://www.populistamerica.com/new_names_same_old_war_crimes
> >
> > Perhaps you'd like to continue discussing near
> decades old evidence that's
> > gone no where even while much of it was liquefied at
> several thousand
> > degrees?
> >
> >
> > Tony Esper wrote:
> >
> >   Stop calling people CIA
> >
> > First of all Michael is my friend. If you somehow
> unaware.. it takes a lot
> > of guts to stand out against the status quo and say
> what you believe. He
> > believes in Obamas message! So be it!
> >
> > He is a great man, I respect him greatly. I was
> actually one of the
> > founders of a Boston 911 group in Brighton. I am
> telling you, I know Michael
> > personally.. and yes.. we do not agree on some issues
> but its having the
> > reserve to put down your battle shield and sword and
> actually listen that
> > makes us better for it.
> >
> > Dont put down labels. We are here because we
> understand the evidence
> > against the official story of 911. That is what brings
> us together.
> >
> > --- On *Mon, 3/16/09, Dan <[address removed]>
> <[address removed]>*wrote:
> >
> > From: Dan <[address removed]>
> <[address removed]>
> > Subject: Attn: Eric [9-11-290] The Obama Deception by
> Alex Jones; BUNK I
> > say and Ilike Alex usually
> > To: [address removed]
> > Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 1:42 AM
> >
> > I don't see why it's better for Mike to leave.
>  Even if he's CIA, the
> > little people at the CIA are the people whose ears we
> need to be in.  99.9%
> > of them have been doused in BS.  If we're able to
> dissolve their misinformed
> > state we might deliver someone who might survive this
> mess to a place in
> > time and position of knowledge to take action that
> saves many.
> >
> > By alienating people you loose your capacity to
> influence them.  If your
> > mind is strong, you have good info, then what do you
> have to fear from the
> > misinformed?
> >
> > Obviously Mike hasn't been reading up on Obama.
> Peacenik Democrats,
> > antiwar activists, pretty much anyone who is paying
> attention to world
> > events, that I've spoken to, recognizes Obama is
> in the pocket of the
> > Oligarchy.  For Mike to come on here trying to sway
> people to Obamabothood
> > speaks to his being far out of touch with reality and
> the street.  I can't
> > think of a better place for him to get an education on
> what the US federal
> > government is all about, mass murder.
> >
> > If we send him out of here and he keeps getting his
> info from the other
> > side, he'll not only wind up a murder statistic,
> he'll probably influence
> > bunches of people to go that route along with him.
> Even if he denies the
> > undeniable facts of the situation, that we put in his
> brain what the reality
> > is, is what's important.  It might take witnessing
> the nuclear catastrophe
> > the Fed Gov has in the works, for him to arrive at the
> real meaning of all
> > the "shovel ready" talk, but at some point
> he'll come to realize what we
> > were saying here is real.  Maybe he'll survive it
> and whistle blow, maybe
> > he'll train a bead on the most murderous some day
> and turn the whole planet
> > around.  If we send him away though, we loose.  We
> loose our capacity to
> > expand understanding of the truth.  Perhaps some of
> his delusions are more
> > common on this thread than we imagine and what's
> being said about Obama is
> > an eye opener for more than just Mike.  Regardless
> it's good to practice the
> > talking points by email, so we have what to say to
> these Obamabots
> > immediately on their revealing their disinformational
> status.
> >
> > So, for the record, Daniel Vincent Kelley is one
> truther who is against
> > censoring people from this group for voicing their
> political beliefs.
> >
> > If they were showing up to every meetup shouting down
> 9/11 truthism with a
> > megaphone, that would be pretty tough to tolerate.
> But really we should in
> > that situation just get a PA system with 12 inch
> speakers.  Sending some
> > email that is an expression of political delusion, it
> seems to me, does not
> > rise to the level of banishment.  60+% of the
> population right now thinks
> > Obama is a nice guy, he has their approval.  Generally
> Truthers are a bit
> > more in tune.  But I don't remember seeing Obama
> being discussed on here
> > before.  I can understand how Mike may have eaten up
> the disinformation
> > that's being pushed in the major media.  I know
> I've read enough about him
> > and his cabinet to be nauseated for centuries by their
> ilk.  It seems to me
> > we should be sending Mike links to where he can read
> about who Obama really
> > is and what Obama is really upto.  Everything I read
> Mike thought was good
> > about Obama is Major Media pushed hogwash.  As
> truthers I feel it's our
> > obligation and in everyone's best interest to
> educate the disinformed, not
> > to alienate the disinformed.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Eric_The_Freeway_Blogger wrote:
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > I'd like to make a suggestion and that is you
> leave the 9-11 truth movement
> > and refrain from posting on this meetup group.
> >
> > Whether you are aware or not you are a distraction to
> the energy of
> > everyone who is making an effort to be part of the
> truth movement.
> >
> > Good bye and Good Luck Michael !
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "michael labelle"
> > To: [address removed]
> > Subject: Re: [9-11-290] The Obama Deception by Alex
> Jones; BUNK I say and
> > Ilike Alex usually
> > Date: Sun, 15 Mar[masked]:58:46 -0400
> >
> >   yeah but I still prefer obama to bush by at least a
> factor of ten, even
> > if they are of "the same category" and ten
> bucks was just a token amount
> > since I wasn't exactly enthusiastic. but now that
> he's in there he seems to
> > be going in a better direction that anyone else who
> had a chance of getting
> > in there. I'm just trying to be realistic. I
> don't think there is enough
> > proof that he's as evil minded as the last ones,
> and he seems to be trying
> > to take us in a more sustainable direction, longterm.
> I think if there isn't
> > some stimulus the system could come crashing down in
> an even more unpleasant
> > way. what would you have the president do, nothing?
> Just let "the market"
> > handle it's own; at this point; that is so naive.
> It's the unbridled market,
> > and it's ethos of get it all now and screw the
> other, that brough the whole
> > house of cards crashing down. I for one am glad
> there's a man with a brain
> > and a desire to do the right thing for the vast
> majority out there, at least
> > I haven't been convinced that he's against
> that vast majority by his
> > rhetoric as well as some of his early actions. give
> the guy a chance, why is
> > that make some of you recoil so much? do you really
> think he's as bad as the
> > obvious villains that thought we were stupid enough to
> believe the lie of
> > 911, which they were clearly behind? Obama even tried
> to appoint a fair
> > minded person recently who opposed some of
> israels' policies and his
> > nomination was nipped in the bud by AIPAC with nary a
> peep about it in the
> > mainstream media. Look what Obama is up against; I
> fail to see how he's in
> > the same category as that! You thinkevery politician
> has been corrupted
> > except Ron Paul probably, according to this kind of
> thinking. well I love
> > Ron Paul too and shook his hand in NH, but that
> doesn't mean I have to hate,
> > resent, or reject obama; in fact I admire him for the
> fight it took just to
> > gain hold of the reigns of power; though you would
> probably say that was a
> > set up too? i think it was more of a ground swell and
> you just can't accept
> > it
> >
> > --- On *Sun, 3/15/09, jeebsy
> <[address removed]>
> <[address removed]>*wrote:
> >
> > From: jeebsy <[address removed]>
> <[address removed]>
> > Subject: Re: [9-11-290] The Obama Deception by Alex
> Jones; BUNK I say and
> > Ilike Alex usually
> > To: [address removed]
> > Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 8:45 PM
> >
> >  Michael,
> >
> >  McCain, Bush, Obama, The Jonas Brothers, they are all
> in the same
> > category.  Sorry Charlie, you and many of our fellow
> brothers and sisters
> > were successfully duped out of their 10 bucks.
> >
> >  Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being
> unwilling to learn.
> > -Benjamin Franklin*
> > *
> >
> >  ------------------------------
> > *From:* michael labelle <[address removed]>
> <[address removed]>
> > *To:* [address removed]
> > *Sent:* Sunday, March 15,[masked]:32:38 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [9-11-290] The Obama Deception by Alex
> Jones; BUNK I say
> > and Ilike Alex usually
> >
> >   ditto to what I just said then; according to this
> view, we might as well
> > have mccain as president, or still bush/cheney.
> >
> > --- On *Sun, 3/15/09, Dan <[address removed]>
> <[address removed]>*wrote:
> >
> > From: Dan <[address removed]>
> <[address removed]>
> > Subject: Re: [9-11-290] The Obama Deception by Alex
> Jones; BUNK I say and
> > Ilike Alex usually
> > To: [address removed]
> > Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 3:21 PM
> >
> > If you're so hyped up to see Bush prosecuted Mike,
> how could you possibly
> > support Obama, who not only has no intention of
> prosecuting war criminal
> > Bush, but is also entrenched in the powers he grabbed
> against the writ of
> > the constitution?  Notice while Obama has pledged to
> "look at" closing
> > Guantanamo, he's not even given lip service to
> restoring Habeas Corpus.
> > Right now, ANY PERSON on the planet, can by whim of a
> fascist dictator, be
> > abducted, held without charges indefinitely and
> renditioned to torturous
> > states for egregious torture.  All of which Obama
> hasn't made the least
> > promise to dissolve.  Yoo, the lawyer who told Bush he
> was within rights to
> > do all of that, torture, rendition and suspension of
> trial rights, Yoo is
> > being protected by the Obama "Just us"
> department from lawsuits filed
> > against him to prosecute him for his OBVIOUSLY woeful
> interpretation of
> > "Executive Privledge".  Obama hasn't
> undone the damage of the "Patriot"
> > act.  You should look up FEMA coffins on youtube.
> Watch those videos and
> > you'll have no doubt on where this is all headed.
> FEMA is storing millions
> > of "casket liners" outside major cities.
> They're big enough to fit about
> > 8-10 adults per casket liner.
> >
> > Beyond that OBAMA is now a war criminal.  The regular
> bombing in Pakistan
> > is an act of war against a nation with whom the US has
> made no declaration
> > of war.
> >
> > I recognize Obama as a war criminal from his days in
> the senate when he sat
> > quietly while US forces used white phorphorous against
> civilians in Iraq.
> > White Phosphorous is banned as a weapon, even against
> militaries.  It was
> > used though to melt flesh to bone across whole
> neighborhoods in Falujah,
> > Iraq.  There has yet been any convictions, no trial,
> not even an inquiry.
> > The whole congress is guilty of abetting this war
> crime.
> >
> > Chris Hemenway wrote:
> >
> > Hmmmmm. Now we must really question you then huh Mr
> Labelle.  it seems to me that the film simply presented the
> plain fact evidence that Obama is the NEXT front man for the
> New World Order. Bush was the last one, and under his
> supervision as "manager" of the United States 9/11
> happened. Yes these criminals should be prosecuted. But
> right now, your mind set is going to land you in an
> internment camp sir.  Your inability to see through the
> Obama facade is sad and very scary because you already
> SHOULD know that the Globalist Controllers Cartel (the New
> World Order) funded 9/11; but also funded both world wars,
> Mao, Stalin, and dozens of other murdering dictator regimes.
>  Do you not get it? Obama got his money and support from
> MURDERERS who openly want you and millions of other people
> dead. He has appointed viscious people to ruin America.
> Point blank end of story-no hope there my friend.  The hope
> and change that you are waiting
> >  for is the same
> >  as
> >  that of Adolf H
> > itler.  If you don't like Alex Jones presentation,
> look at it from other perspectives and analyze the facts for
> yourself.  EVEN IF Obama had good intentions, he would NOT
> be able to do anything good.  The Military Industrial
> Complex is in control... That is they have the last say on
> real issues.  Come on man. Please don't insult us by
> "hoping" Obama will fix everything for
> you/us/everyone.  I don't know and cannot prove
> Obama's involvement in 9/11, but I can see that his
> controllers are capable of executing another horrible attack
> under the Obama administration. You should fight with us to
> wake people up and work to prevent worse events from
> happening. That is our obligation with the knowledge that we
> have and I really feel like you are disgracing this
> responsibility with ignorant posts such as those pointing
> out flaws in truth pieces such as this movie The Obama
> Deception rather than exploiting its positive
> >  potential. You
> >  are
> >  entitled to your opinion, but your opinions reall
> > y make me question your motives and integrity. That is
> my opinion.
> >
> >
> > Long live freedom!
> >
> >
> > -Chris
> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: michael labelle <[address removed]>
> <[address removed]>
> >
> > Date: Sat, 14 Mar[masked]:06:42
> > To: <[address removed]>
> <[address removed]>
> > Subject: RE: [9-11-290] The Obama Deception by Alex
> Jones; BUNK I say and I
> >  like Alex usually
> >
> >
> >
> > all ye truthers seem to be so eager to bash Obama. I
> watched this entire movie and failed to see any direct
> evidence that Obama himself is part of some kind of new
> world order conspiracy to take our
> >  freedoms away. So what if he's well loved by
> >  so many people? I
> >  don't find
> >  that strange considering the unspeakably horrid
> presidency that preceded him. what are we doing going after
> him for when clearly the enemies of freedom and truth, the
> real perpetrators of the 911 attacks, (the prior
> administration) is walking away, probably laughing, at the
> way truthers are now going after Obama, as if he's the
> culprit. I wonder what is really behind this and am
> disappointed with the alex jones crowd for it's
> sensationalistic smearing of obama with very little real or
> credible facts to support it's claim that he's just
> as bad somehow as what preceded him, and in fact resulted in
> his huge mandate. this reminds me of how iditotic and
> misplaced our war on drugs is and how
> >  marijuana in particular is sensationalized as some
> kind of dangerous drug when it is obvious it is our own govt
> and corporate induced influence that has kept so many of us
> in the dark about the relative harmlessness of an innocent
> >  plant, the taxation
> >  and legalization
> >  of which increasingly makes COMMON SENSE especially
> with an economy in freefall. what are we wasting our time
> for on "the OBama deception". In my opinion
> he's a sincere man with a huge mandate; we should be
> working with someone like that, until proven guilty, instead
> of smearing him with very little actual hard evidence to
> support all this negativity. just because he has a few wall
> street types and Bryrzinki advising him does not make him
> some kind of criminal. I think he's trying his best in a
> world that is heavily controlled by corporate and military
> cronies (and AIPAC!) that he figures he'd better include
> that have working directly against him; but he's on the
> side of the people I
> >  believe; I have to believe. And alex Jones's film
> did not prove to me in any way that Obama is against us or
> the truth.
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 3/14/09, Glenn A. Aho
> <[address removed]>
> <[address removed]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >  From: Glenn A. Aho <[address removed]>
> <[address removed]>
> > Subject: RE: [9-11-290] The Obama Deception by Alex
> Jones
> > To: [address removed]
> > Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 2:12 AM
> > Yes, I am interested as well
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > Glenn
> >
> > From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]
> <[address removed]>] On
> > Behalf Of Gina
> > Sent: Thursday, March 12,[masked]:39
> >  PM
> > To: [address removed]
> > Subject:
> >  [9-11-290]
> >  The Obama Deception by Alex Jones
> >
> >
> >
> > If anyone is interesting in this movie contact me and
> I
> > will share my p2p with you to get it. I also have all
> of
> > Alex Jone���s movies���
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Gina
> >
> >
> >
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