Does science destroy Christianity? (lecture with audience Q&A)

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Admission price: Free
Date: Tue. [masked]
Time: 6:30-7:30 pm
Place: Downtown Portland Central Library, U.S. Bank Room

Topic: Bernie Dehler presents an original lecture called "How science destroys Christianity."  The lecture is followed by a critique from a Christian, retired biology professor David V. McCorkle (Western Oregon University).

There will also be time for audience Q&A.  The moderator of the event is Justin Gray (a graduate of Canby Bible College).

 

 

 

Event Outline:
6:30 - 7:00 PM: Bernie's lecture
7:00 - 7:15 PM: Prof. David V. McCorkle's critique/rebuttal (feedback part 1 of 2)
7:15 - 7:30 PM: Audience Q&A (feedback part 2 of 2)

................ More info on participants .....................

Bernie Dehler (former evangelical Christian, now Secular Humanist (polyatheist)) 
Organizer for three meetup.com community groups:  Westside Science and Religion Discussion Group,   Vancouver Science and Religion Discussion Group, and Natural Spirituality

Education:  B.S.E.E.T., Oregon Institute of Technology 1984; Masters in Ministry, Luther Rice University, 2007 

Experience:  Computer chip designer.  A born-again evangelical Christian for over 20 years, and left belief in God in 2009.  Moderator and polyatheist presenter at many local religious debates and discussions.  See Bernie's YouTube channel for these free debate videos: 
http://tinyurl.com/68uzrpk

 

David McCorkle, Ph.D.:
Biology Professor Emeritus, Western Oregon University
B.S., 1956, Seattle Pacific University
M.S., 1959, Ph.D. 1967, Univ. of Washington 

 

 

 Justin Gray:
 Graduate of Canby Bible College.  Raised in a non-Christian home, he came to faith at age 13.  Active in church staff as a youth leader.  Organizer of Canby Bible College's first Christian/atheist debate.



 

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A blog article for the event, at Oregonlive.com:
http://blog.oregonlive.com/my-portland/2012/02/science_vs_god_at_downtown_por_1.html

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  • Seth C.

    This topic is so heavy that there should have been more time dedicated to it. I feel like both speakers were very rushed and could have developed their ideas more if given more time. Otherwise it was pretty fun.

    March 30, 2012

  • Steve T.

    Informative, although a little bit of apples vs. hammers. Bernie's topic seemed to vacillate between Science destroying Christianity and science destroying God; two very different topics in my mind. (Too many people confuse religion with God.)

    The other gentleman didn't really address Christianity, but used physics to help prove eternity. Although I'm an armchair physicist, his arguments didn't seem to connect the dots. Neither presentation seemed a counterpoint to the other, thus apples/hammers. But over all I enjoyed the discussion, the comments, and will return for more meetings.

    Thank you for taking the time and effort to organize this.

    March 29, 2012

  • John H.

    Could have been better if each speaker stuck to two or three main points and spoke without notes. Reading a long list of complex ideas with obscure terms is not the best way to connect with the audience.

    March 29, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    Thanks, so we'll see what I can learn in my observations and experiences at church. I have a feeling it will be a wealth of information one can't gather unless they're willing to jump right in like I've been doing. I'm trying to do a true comparison and contrast of non-believers and believers in their communities.. Take care.

    March 28, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    Bernie gave great talking points in his presentation! I enjoyed conversing with the Christian presenter and I enjoined his animated manner during his presentation. I also enjoined talking to the others I talked to. I had a great time.

    March 28, 2012

  • Che Y.

    I don't know what the last sentence in your last comment means, but it probably doesn't matter. Have a good time in Church Thomas, because I totally agree that most "atheist" communities aren't "communities" at all.

    March 27, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    Maybe I'm projecting the fact that faith & non-faith are more than just ideas in a person's life. My reaction in my Saturday post about you not responding was probably me also projecting how dissatisfied I get with online communicate over serious topics. No face to face, convenient, no accountability, no connection that has real substance. This's ONE reason why I'm now going to church, to see community & communication on a level that works. More than logic maybe this was "the flash in your pan"?

    March 27, 2012

  • Che Y.

    I'll keep this in mind the next time I comment. I usually don't check this site but every few days and didn't think it a big deal. Four days didn't seem like long to me. But, I see your point.

    March 27, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    conti..and reading all our sincere and respectful requests that he express more about what lead up to this decision to consider Christianity." And that's what the good people in this forum did. So after about the 4th day of this, Saturday, I, feeling FRUSTRATED(and no, not wanting to exercise any arrogance) that there had been no response from you call(what I thought was) your bluff. But hey, I was wrong! Nothing more than an idea; a "flash in the pan" huh? Just putting things in context, Che...

    March 27, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    There's the Che response we all know.. I think you can put a perspective on this Che. You dropped the bomb on us on Tuesday March 20th and then disappeared and didn't get back with us until 5 days later on Sunday. I'm surprised no one after a couple of days said, "You know Che's probably screwing with us. He probably wants to see how gullible we are on believing his claim about becoming a Christian. I've only known Che to see religion as bullshit. He's probably having a good laugh right now..

    March 27, 2012

  • Che Y.

    Wow! I didn't notice the arrogance that Thomas displayed in his command and seeming demand that I respond to his inquires. Sorry Thomas, had I known it was so important that I get back to you in a timely manner I would have waited longer. Laura, a sincere thank you for your curiosity. I look forward to meeting you and having discussions.

    March 26, 2012

  • Che Y.

    There is a positive however; I have been finding it easier to get a grip on my emotions in these conversations and have been having some fun, cordial, talks with people I don't agree with.

    Thanks guys for your curiosity. I hope to see some of you soon. (I couldn't get the time off for this Tuesday unfortunately)

    March 25, 2012

  • Che Y.

    Sorry guys. I haven't been available for a while. I think my idea was just a flash in the pan. I was going to try out being a Christian but I just can't do it. I can't even pretend to get back into that frame of mind. I tried having conversations with Christians on some type of common ground but I can't even get passed the first few sentences without having to say "Wait, that's not quite right".

    March 25, 2012

  • Bernie D.

    "Bernie, is Che just privately emailing you about his situation?"

    No.

    March 24, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    And thanks for you thoughts Gavin on what I posted here. I'll probably have the second half of the my current blog post done by tomorrow night. Had a cup of coffee today with a very interesting young man from Pastor Nathan's church. He's a critical thinking Christian, conservative in some ways, and socially liberal in other. He wanted to have a cup of coffee with me because, according to him, I'm approachable and understanding. To which I humbly say, "Pretty cool." lol..

    March 24, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    Bernie, is Che just privately emailing you about his situation?? Is this why he hasn't responded back here?? I'm beginning to think this is a joke that's being played, unless, for 4 days now, he's been way too busy with work or is really sick and can't lift a finger to type a yay or a nay to our inquiries... I'm going to email him and if he doesn't respond after a day, I'm going to recommend we no longer try to get his attention.

    March 24, 2012

  • Bernie D.

    RE: Laura said:
    "Bernie, it looks like you may need a few more of us "Christian types""

    Thanks- and bring as many friends as you can with you. And ask me a tough question at the event!

    March 24, 2012

  • Laura

    Wow, Che, I echo Gavin's comments as to being curious as to the change in your worldview from atheism to Christianity. We look forward to hearing your story and hope that you are able to fill us in on Tuesday if your work schedule allows. By the way, Gavin, as an attender of the church that you mentioned, I've observed that the fellowship there does seem to be quite committed to fulfilling that mission statement, even though it is quite a mouthful!

    March 24, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    ..had to acknowledge my dissatisfaction with it and have had to ask, "Why, now in its 4th year, does CFI Portland still not have the feel of a community?" Is it because of no physical building location or is it more than that? My gut & my accumulated observations, so far, tell me it is indeed more than that. So, ONE reason I'm now attending is to personally revisit what secular individuals are missing out on in terms of a real community and why we've allow this to be the situation. Stay tuned..

    March 23, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    conti. less active and driven in areas of injustice around the world and in our own backyard, than churches like Imago Dei in Portland? Now, you may feel you know the answer and that it is as simple as blind faith and tax free money that pushes churches like this to do what they do, but it is not that simple! Aside from that, I miss the type of community I had growing up in dynamic COMMUNITY oriented churches. CFI "Community" of Portland is not a community and I've had to acknowledge my...

    March 23, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    The blog post shares a certain amount and is informative to a degree, but the second half will expound on why I find myself now going to church and what I perceive that I will get out of it. I'm going for a degree in psychology and sociology, with an emphasis on how secular communities and religious communities are similar and how they are intrinsically different. Why, if human nature and morality is the same cross-culturally, are secular communities significantly less active and driven.. conti.

    March 23, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    Nope, I'm still an outspoken Atheist, with an ethical world view of Secular Humanism. For the last several months I've been attending church with greater regularity. There are a number of reasons I'm now attending church. This weekend I plan to finish the second half of my post on my blog site http://profundus-indagatio.blog...­ called "Yes, I'm an Atheist and a Secular Humanist, and now attending church." I delayed finishing the last half of the post due to life and college finals..

    March 23, 2012

  • Bernie D.

    New blog article on this event:
    http://blog.oregonlive.com/my-p...­

    March 22, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    Hey Che, I'm attending Imago Dei church in SE downtown Portland this Sunday. For several reasons I am now attending church almost regularly. Maybe I'll see you there. I'll be attending the 12:00 noon service..

    March 21, 2012

  • Che Y.

    I'd like to attend this. But I might have to work. It will be interesting to attend now as a Christian instead of an atheist.

    March 20, 2012

  • Bernie D.

    FYI: Facebook event page:
    http://www.facebook.com/events/...­

    March 5, 2012

  • Bernie D.

    March 5, 2012

  • Bernie D.

    Something to think about: When a tornado destroys a church, is it an 'act of God,' an 'act of the Devil,' or just plain nature? http://stlouisreview.com/articl...­

    March 5, 2012

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