Re: [WinnipegSkeptics] Message from the Creation Museum Curator

From: Gem N.
Sent on: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:08 AM
Hi, Jeff.

Hope you had a great trip! No bookings yet, but we're meeting tomorrow at my place to discuss SkeptiCamp.

We have eight confirmed speakers, so far, and four other confirmed participants. I have some promotional ideas, too, and I have a list of profs at U of M whose participation I'd like to solicit.

Based on other Canadian SkeptiCamps, I think that we can get at least thirty people there, maybe many more! I hope that you can make it tomorrow!

Gem Newman
Organiser, Winnipeg Skeptics




On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Jeffrey Olsson <[address removed]> wrote:
HI everyone,
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I just got back from overseas (its 2AM Yay!) and I am excited about starting to set things up for skepticamp. As you know?I have not yet found us a facility in which to have the event. I looked around a bit before I went away?and just wanted to confirm that no one else has booked a facility?in the interim.
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Its good to be back.? I will begin looking again tomorrow in the morning but will refrain from booking us a meeting room (from noon until 6 on October 23rd) until?I get a response.
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TTFN
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Jeff
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From: Gem Newman
To: [address removed]
Sent: Tuesday, September 21,[masked]:13 AM
Subject: Re: [WinnipegSkeptics] Message from the Creation Museum Curator

That's the whole idea!

From SkeptiCamp's Facebook page: "if you aren't encouraging interaction and discussion during talks, perhaps you should consider another non-SkeptiCamp event model?"

Gem Newman
Organiser, Winnipeg Skeptics




On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Scott Carnegie <[address removed]> wrote:
I'd love to see a presentation on creationism at SkeptiCamp, provided he's open to questionsWinking smile emoticon
From: Gem Newman
Sent: Monday, September 20,[masked]:00 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: [WinnipegSkeptics] Message from the Creation Museum Curator

I just received the following email from John Freakes, the curator of the Oxford Creation Museum:

Hello Gem,

My name is John Feakes ? the team leader of CARE Winnipeg and
the curator of the Oxford Creation Museum. On Friday I gave a
lecture entitled ?The Failure of Modern Atheism? in which I
presented what I thought were strong auguments for a theistic
worldview. In that presentation I alerted my audience to the
fact that different atheistic groups (including the Skeptics)
exist in our provence, and mentioned that the Skeptics would be
touring our little museum in Nov. I showed them an e-mail
exchange between yourself and Robert in which he suggested
deceiving us into thinking you guys were a church group if
access to our museum was denied. I mentioned that such tactics
are congruent with a worldview without any objective morality
(that is to say, morality wholly apart from human opinion) but
doesn't square well with the morality prescribed in the New
Testament,which commands us to "speak the truth in love" and
"lie not one to another." Robert caught me right after the
presentation and alerted me to the fact that I had misread the
exchange. I had understood you to say "Great idea" to the
suggestion of deceving your way into our museum, when in fact,
you were simply giving your approval to the idea of visiting
us. In actuality, you had understood Robert the way I did, and
even stated that you'd prefer not to deceive anyone. I'm
grateful that Robert was there to clarify this. My audience had
this explained to them by Robert and myself, and he and I had a
great discussion afterward. Please accept my sincere apologies
for the error. I do look forward to having you folks out to our
little museum in Nov. Robert has invited me to attend a
Skeptics meeting and I would love to take him up on this. I
have no delusions of comming and magically converting you guys.
Nevertheless, I do think we can have a meaningful exchange in
which all of us can come away with new things to think about.
Thanks,

John Feakes

Although some consider it bad form to reproduce emails without permission (I'm not one of them), I figure that as he used a discussion between Robert and myself in a presentation on "The Failure of Modern Atheism", this is fair game.

Here's my response:

Hi, John.

Thanks for your message. Your misinterpretation of the exchange is perfectly understandable, as Meetup organises comments in reverse chronological order. That said, I'm glad that Robert was there to straighten out the misunderstanding.

You're more than welcome to attend any of the Winnipeg Skeptics events that are hosted in public venues (most are). If you're looking for conversation, we have a monthly Drinking Skeptically event at The King's Head Pub (you're still welcome if you don't drink alcohol?I'm a nephalist, myself).

If you'd prefer to present a talk, we're hosting a SkeptiCamp event on 23 October 2010. This event is open to everyone and you would be more than welcome to talk on the subject of your choosing. There are two caveats, however: (1) talks are limited to 30 minutes in length; and (2) you can expect questions to be raised during the talk rather than afterward?SkeptiCamp encourages direct audience participation. If you're at all interested, please visit http://www.skepticamp.org/wiki/SkeptiCamp_Winnipeg. If you'd like to present, please add yourself to the list.

One final thing that I'd like to mention: The Winnipeg Skeptics is not an atheist organisation. It is dedicated to a method of inquiry, not to any conclusions. The reason that it has the "atheist" Meetup tag attached to it is that it's the sort of organisation that appeals to many (but not all) atheists, and many skeptics find it via Meetup's search functions. Although it's true that the majority of our members are atheist, deists and even Christians have attended our meetups in the past and are always welcome. There is no skeptical litmus test that one must pass to be a member.

Oh, and apology accepted!

Gem Newman
Organiser, Winnipeg Skeptics

Some of you may be surprised that I invited him to talk at SkeptiCamp?but that's the nature of the beast. SkeptiCamp is free and open for a very good reason, and the last thing that we want is to succumb to the echo-chamber effect.

As always, feel free to express your opinion on the message board.




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