What's loud and clear to me here is that I think the whole concept of what
the meetup groups might be misunderstood or maybe I have misunderstood.
Are these meet ups supposed to be commercial in nature or an opportunity for
the two main elements in certain areas in the art of photography to come
together? Wouldn't it be better if this coming together remained
non-commercial for both models and photographers. In other words it's an
opportunity to practice on each other not to try and take each other for a
Most of this confusion can be solved with a suitably worded meetup group
model's release. Draw up a standard meetup group release which clearly says
that neither party may use the photographs for commercial purposes and
clearly indicate what both parties can use the photographs for.
In my little world:
If I use a professional model who has charged me for her services, she gets
nothing apart from the cash. She is required to sign a commercial model's
release signing all rights over to me. That's what they get paid for.
If I use a model on a TFP basis I give her all the raw digital images I have
taken before she leaves, on a CD. It's quick and easy to do as I download
everything and review the photos with her as part of the deal..I offer her
the chance to pick 5 or 10 for enhancement (in her own time), but before she
starts she signs a model's release clearly stating how both parties may or
may not use the. I customise the release and insert specific use clauses
where appropriate, but this is negotiated before we start. TFP model's in my
world are permitted to use a limited number of photographs promote
themselves, but again how and where is included in the model's release along
with the proviso that any and all images have to be credited to the
photographer if seen in public. This process can be time consuming, it may
be regarded by some as not necessary, but believe you me if you have a
commercial business self-protection is very important.
To me I view these meetup groups as being an avenue for like minded people
to meet, participate, learn, experiment and have fun. Take away the
potential areas of conflict after the event and I think the people that turn
up will be those who are interested in the meet up concept and not those
wishing to take advantage of others.
For the record I have done photo-shoots in the UK and the USA, but always
commercially related to my books. My TFP photo-shoots have to date always
been done in Switzerland.
Adrian in Switzerland.
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> Hey Ella,
> I hear you loud and clear.
> I think you misunderstood the underlying point of what I am trying to
> Profits from forums are wrong..